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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1000 on: January 22, 2021, 12:32:16 AM »
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Keep in mind that none of the FBI reports or Fritz's report (or even Fritz's notes) were written during the interrogations.

Correct!  Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1000 on: January 22, 2021, 12:32:16 AM »


Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1001 on: January 22, 2021, 12:48:35 AM »
Yes, Inspector Kelley lied. What else can we help you with, Mr O'Meara?

 :D :D :D

It's not me who needs the help Alan.

Why did Kelley lie and what proof do you have of that?

(I always like asking what proof you have for your made-up facts)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1002 on: January 22, 2021, 12:53:25 AM »
Keep in mind that none of the FBI reports or Fritz's report (or even Fritz's notes) were written during the interrogations.

I'll also keep in mind that Kelley only got to ask Oswald about three questions so would have a fairly decent recollection of the answers.
Further evidence Oswald was not outside at the time of the assassination.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1002 on: January 22, 2021, 12:53:25 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1003 on: January 22, 2021, 12:56:14 AM »
:D :D :D

It's not me who needs the help Alan.

Why did Kelley lie

Because it had been decided at the highest level that nothing was to get in the way of Mr Oswald's conviction in the public eye as the lone gunman. Frankly astonishing that you need to ask.

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and what proof do you have of that?

What proof do you have he's telling the truth? Apart from your gullibility and pro-WC bias, that is?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1004 on: January 22, 2021, 01:29:16 AM »
Because it had been decided at the highest level that nothing was to get in the way of Mr Oswald's conviction in the public eye as the lone gunman. Frankly astonishing that you need to ask.

He didn't need to lie Alan because Oswald never did watch the parade.
Can't you see that.
Oswald says as much on film.
There were 7 or 8 other people in the room with Kelley when he asked Oswald if he saw the parade.
Oswald said he never saw the parade in front of all these people.
You can't seriously be saying they were all in on this simple lie.
All 8 interrogators lying about this one little thing.

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What proof do you have he's telling the truth? Apart from your gullibility and pro-WC bias, that is?

You're the one making the wild accusations you can never back up.
And what makes you think I'm pro-WC? Just because I think you're FoS?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1005 on: January 22, 2021, 01:36:16 AM »
There were 7 or 8 other people in the room with Kelley when he asked Oswald if he saw the parade.

Well, there were other people in the room anyway. Whether they heard such an exchange is another matter altogether.

Inspector Kelley has Mr Oswald make three straight denials---------



----------but Agent Bookhout records only two----------


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1006 on: January 22, 2021, 01:44:46 AM »
So! Mr Oswald tells Captain Fritz in that first interrogation that he visited the second floor lunchroom, then went down to one to eat his lunch and then went outside to watch the P. Parade. This last obviously comes as a bombshell to those in the interrogation room.

Agent Hosty doesn't believe a word Mr Oswald has said, but dutifully records his claims in his draft interrogation report.

What happens next?

Well! Let's compare
a) the opening of that draft report by Agent Hosty
b) the opening of the subsequent joint Hosty-Bookhout report
c) the opening of Agent Bookhout's later solo report.

a) Agent Hosty draft report: "On 11/22 at 3:15pm LHO was interviewed by Capt W. Fritz, JWB & JPH. Capt F. advised O of his rights etc."

b) Joint Hosty-Bookhout report: "LEE HARVEY OSWALD, 1026 North Beckley, Dallas, Texas, was interviewed by Captain WILL FRITZ of the Homicide Bureau, Dallas Police Department. Special Agent JAMES P. HOSTY and JAMES W. BOOKHOUT were present during this interview. When the Agents entered the interview room at 3:15 p.m., Captain FRITZ had been previously interviewing LEE HARVEY OSWALD for an undetermined period of time. Both Agents identified themselves to OSWALD and advised him they were law enforcement officers and anything he said could be used against him."

c) Solo Bookhout report: "LEE HARVEY OSWALD was interviewed at the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Dallas Police Department, by Captain J. W. FRITZ in the presence of Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUT, Federal Bureau of Investigation. OSWALD was advised of the identity and official capacity of said agent and the fact that he did not have to make any statement, that any statement he did make could be used in a court of law against him, and that any statement made must be free and voluntary and that he had the right to consult with an attorney."

Notice the personnel change from a)+b) to c)?

So! Agent Bookhout, in his solo report, writes Agent Hosty completely out of the script. We can see what's going on here by comparing each successive report's treatment of Mr Oswald's claims:

a) Hosty draft report: lunchroom (pre-assassination) + 1st floor (pre-assassination) + "then went outside to watch P. Parade"

b) Hosty-Bookhout joint report: lunchroom (when?) + 1st floor (when?) + "on the first floor when President Kennedy passed the building" (a compromise formula that tells no straight lie while not telling the truth!)

c) Bookhout solo report: lunchroom (post-assassination: Baker & Truly have joined the party!) + 1st floor (post-assassination) + out front (post-assassination).

Agent Hosty never-----to the end of his days-----confirmed Mr Oswald's confirmation of a post-assassination lunchroom encounter. And he never destroyed his original draft report, which he eventually handed over as part of his papers to the ARRB. Posthumously, he is having the last word over the fellow Agent who wrote him out of the script!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1007 on: January 22, 2021, 04:17:37 AM »
Keep in mind that none of the FBI reports or Fritz's report (or even Fritz's notes) were written during the interrogations.

Fritz's notes weren't scribbled during the interrogation??   How silly.... Fritz had been a detective for several decades, he was a seasoned veteran interrogator....and you think he didn't jot down information as he questioned a suspect???