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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: JFK vs Trump
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2020, 12:14:19 AM »
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I moved most of my loooong post below, here :

......My observations leading me to firmly believe Mr. Griffith's political opinions are evidence of an involuntary belief system, rather than supported by facts. The point he made about Trump's "accomplishment", resulting in the zeroing of the ACA mandate, a fine on taxpayers who are not low income exempted from purchasing and or maintaining health insurance coverage, was probably the item he credited to Trump that I found most troubling, because it certainly is within Mr. Griffith's intellectual capacity to understand it is vital for at least two reasons.:...
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If not involuntary, why post indicating minimization or outright dismissal of outright corruption of the U.S, Department of Justice, the rule of law, and, even more obviously, Trump's "in your face", complete disdain for the truth?

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Judge Emmet Sullivan Petitions for a Rehearing En Banc in Flynn Case
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/01/president-trump-made-19127-false-or-misleading-claims-1226-days/
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Nice bogus right wing propaganda.

The greatest economy on record was created by Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Donald Trump is a fraud and took credit for it just like he paid someone to take his SATs for him.

Manufacturing has been in a recession since last September and the economic recession started BEFORE the Trump Virus due to his bogus tariffs and tax gimmicks to the 1% that tripled the national debt. 

The middle class didn't hardly get a tax cut and are worse off than 4 years ago with finances.

Black and Hispanic unemployment is at an all time high.

We are losing and behind every major nation with Donald Trump.           

Get some new talking points.

I think Mr Griffith belongs in the other thread, "Trump supporters and conspiracy theories".

He's Exhibit A
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Michael T. Griffith, as described in the link I included above, is an author and a scholar. Why would he voluntarily post what I am responding to in this thread, especially after I pointed out he had posted three links to John Solomon's new website? Please consider that supporters of Trump seem to have no choice. They literally seem to post in spite of the facts, instead of in support of them. I consider myself responsive to facts, but I readily admit I am not gifted with the IQ or abilities of Michael Griffith. I am my own man. Maybe I am the lucky one!

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By Guest Tom Scully, October 1, 2011 in JFK Assassination Debate .....

If you Google "U.S. COVID-19 deaths," you'll see that although the number of cases has increased dramatically over the last several weeks, the number of daily new deaths has nosedived, just as many experts predicted would happen. The number of daily new deaths has dropped by over 100% over the last three weeks. In contrast, three weeks after the lockdowns began, the number of daily new deaths skyrocketed, and that spike continued for 2-3 weeks, which of course suggests that the lockdowns did more harm than good.

Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/trump-touted-covid-19-drug-hydroxychloroquine-works-according-new-study

Some other useful articles:

Georgia's daily new COVID-19 deaths hit 3-month low
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/once-seen-outbreak-disaster-making-georgia-just-hit-3-month-low-covid

Schools can and should reopen
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/evidence-continues-mount-reopening-schools-safe-yet-many-us-officials

The "author" of the first article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Sharyl Attkisson :

The "author" of the second and third article cited by Michael as "useful", is the Trump supporting stooge, Daniel Payne.:

This thread just keeps on giving, like the tide going out, revealing who has been swimming naked, from a discernment standpoint.

Michael, is this a sign of a conspiracy of medical science against Trump and Trump party?

Translation:
John Solomon is a discredited, Hannity fed and directed shill for Trump.:

Michael, from your "Trumped up", POV, science does not seem to matter, despite the Trump pressured FDA having no incentive to contradict Trump.

Are you also an anti-vaxxer? The choice of avoiding posting like an anti-science, "whack job" is entirely up to you! Why intentionally diminish your own credibility? Why support the mendacious, uninformed, BS of the world's worst person, considering the resources at his disposal VS the intentional sabotage and sunami of lies and other manipulations that are the "work product" of the 45th POTUS?

Since late February, the U.S. medical community has learned much more about treatment efficacy and is much better prepared, from testing to response.
You're posted opinion is in direct contrast to FDA policy revisions, and to the reality on the ground. You deliberately remove your bearings to conduct any reliable, science supported argument. Why deliberately post like a laughable knucklehead? Can you not discern the ridiculousness of the few posters in this thread who have been posting BS similar to what you are delivering in this thread page?

Florida has a pop. of about 20 million, older on average, than in many other U.S. states. It takes a larger increase of younger victims to move Florida's numbers because of the large, general pop. and the older than average age.

If your life depended on it, "Useful" cites from Michael's justthenews.com, or.....
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Re: JFK vs Trump
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2020, 01:17:28 PM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

If Biden is going to end up in the White House, I just hope he picks a rational, moderate running mate, not a rabid idealogue like Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. I wish Biden nothing but the best. I have nothing against him as a person. I think he has a compelling life story. He has long record of being willing to compromise and work with the other side. But given his diminished capacity, I worry that he would not really be in control as president but would be manipulated in too many cases to do things that he would never have done 10 years ago.
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« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2020, 07:11:44 AM »
To make an issue of Biden’s “diminished capacity” and ignore Trump’s is a serious blind spot.

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« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2020, 07:24:58 AM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

If Biden is going to end up in the White House, I just hope he picks a rational, moderate running mate, not a rabid idealogue like Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. I wish Biden nothing but the best. I have nothing against him as a person. I think he has a compelling life story. He has long record of being willing to compromise and work with the other side. But given his diminished capacity, I worry that he would not really be in control as president but would be manipulated in too many cases to do things that he would never have done 10 years ago.

Anyone who supports a president who makes fun of handicapped people, who started laundering money for the Russian Mafia in 1984, and whose mentor and confidant is Roger "Ratxxxxxx" Stone is a borderline sociopath himself, imho.

--  MWT  ;)
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« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2020, 02:09:17 PM »
It is sad to see such blind partisan hatred of Trump. Many conservatives displayed intolerance and blind hatred toward Obama, but the hatred and derangement that some liberals are displaying toward Trump are setting new records for polarization and bigotry.

It's sad to see a criminal destroy our country who is a white supremacist and a pathological liar. Same guy who accused the first black President of the United States of being "an illegal alien" and forced him to show his birth certificate. His lies have caused 44 million people to lose their jobs, killed over 137,000 people, and infected 3.3 million.   


The problem is that when you decide that you hate someone, you will almost never admit when they do something good. I see such blindness in the irrational, surreal way that many liberals have responded to Trump's tax cuts, to his ending the Obamacare penalty fine, to his historic reduction in federal regulations, to his new North American trade agreement (which even many unions agree is a big improvement over NAFTA), to his support of school choice, etc., etc.

Using the word "hate" to promote your propaganda always makes your point invalid. His reduction in regulations has allowed corruption to take place. His tax cuts were a joke and went to the top 1%. Very thin on your list of "accomplishments".         

And, seriously, aren't those of you who support Biden worried about his mental capacity? Really, anyone who has watched even just a few of Biden's public appearances can see that he frequently loses his train of thought, slurs his words, and sometimes almost seems in a daze or trance for a few seconds. I'm not talking about his gaffes. Trump commits lots of gaffes too. I'm talking about the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity has severely diminished, and that it's only getting worse. During the early stage of the Dem primary, even some of the talking heads on MSNBC openly discussed the clear signs that Biden's mental capacity is substantially diminished.

There's nothing wrong with Biden's mental capacity. What we see from Donald Trump is constant slurring of words, losing his train of thought, unable to walk, has to drink a glass of water with two hands. He has dementia.     

Want to see diminished mental capacity? 


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« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2020, 06:14:05 PM »
Mr. Griffith:
As Mr. Scully pointed out, John Solomon is a partisan shill for Trump.
He conspired with Victoria Toensing, her husband Joseph Degova, Rudy Guiliani, Lev Parnas, and Dmitry Firtash ( pro Russian Ukrainian oligarch) to create the whole Hunter Biden scam.
Solomon was removed from The Hill for writing opinion pieces masquerading as investigative journalism.
He never informed his readers - and viewers, on Fox News - of his ties to all the folks listed above.
 ( Integrity much?)

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« Reply #70 on: June 08, 2021, 10:04:25 AM »
JFK was a decorated WWII combat veteran.

He used his family's influence to get assigned to the PT Boat in the Pacific war zone.

His older brother Joe was killed in Europe. He volunteered for a dangerous mission over Europe.

The plane he was flying blew up killing all on board.

Gary, look a little deeper. Joe Jr. died as a result of a top secret, remote television camera piloted "drone bomber" project. It is possible, although the odds are intensely slim, that Hugh Downs, despite a career in broadcast journalism that lasted from 1945 until he retired at age 79, just did not know who his wife's brother, John Shaheen, really was?
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The CIA enlisted Oswald to feign defection to the Soviet Union.

A CIA document titled “Excerpts From Unpublished Writings of Lee Harvey Oswald” quotes Oswald as having written, “When I first went to Russia in the winter of 1959 my funds were very limited, so after a certain time, after the Russians had assured themselves that I was really the naive American who believed in Communism, they arranged for me to receive a certain amount of money every month . . . . It was arranged by the MVD [Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs] . . . . It really was payment for my denunciation of the US in Moscow in November 1959.”

A CIA memo makes reference to Oswald’s writings and states, “In his writings, Oswald is highly critical of Soviet rigged elections, the massing of crowds for staged demonstrations, travel restrictions, regimentation, and the lack of freedom of press, speech, and religion.”

Oswald’s Marine Corps record shows that on February 25, 1959, he was tested on his Russian language “comprehension” skills, including his ability to “understand” Russian, his ability to “read” Russian, and his ability to “write” in Russian.

Fifteen days after arriving in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Oswald went to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and claimed that he was renouncing his American citizenship, stating afterward, “I will never return to the United States for any reason.”

The Embassy reported that Oswald “was aggressive, arrogant, and uncooperative,” and in response to his alleged desire to renounce his citizenship, the Embassy “advised Oswald by mail of his right to renounce citizenship, such renunciation in manner prescribed by law being valid, and that he might appear on any normal business day and request documents be prepared.”

According to the State Department officer who dealt with Oswald during the phony attempt to renounce citizenship, Oswald appeared to have been “tutored in connection with his apparent attempts to renounce his American citizenship,” and Oswald’s trip to the Soviet Union was suspiciously a “competently arranged trip.”

The State Department officer also reported, “Oswald evidently knew something of the procedure for renunciation of citizenship when he came into the office. This seemed a bit unusual since it was so soon after his first departure from the United States on his first trip abroad traveling as a private citizen.”

The Warren Commission told CIA officials in March 1964, “The letters Lee Oswald wrote to the American Embassy in Moscow while he was trying to get permission for himself and his wife Marina to return to the United States might have been ‘coached.’”

A Warren Commission staff member told the CIA officials that “these letters reflected a higher degree of sophistication and knowledge of passport procedures than would be expected of a man of Lee Harvey Oswald’s known character.”

The FBI documented that an Associated Press reporter spoke with Oswald at his hotel soon after his claim that he wanted to “relinquish his United States citizenship and remain in Russia.” The reporter “engaged him in a conversation” and “asked Oswald why he was going to remain in Russia.”

The FBI report states, “Oswald replied, ‘I’ve got my reasons,’ but did not elucidate.”

Five days after returning from the Soviet Union, Oswald had Pauline Bates, a stenographer in Fort Worth, Texas, type up notes that he made while in Russia. Bates testified to the Warren Commission that the notes, both typed and handwritten, were in Russian and that Oswald spent three days translating them for her. She also stated that she was “anxious to get on it” because she was very interested in the fact that Oswald “had just come back from Russia and had notes.”

She told the Warren Commission, “I started asking him some questions – ‘Why did you go to Russia?’ - and a few things like that. Some of them he’d answer and some of them he wouldn’t . . . . He wasn’t very talkative. And whenever I did get him to talk, I had to drag it out of him. He didn’t talk voluntarily.”

The information that Pauline Bates “dragged” out of Oswald included the fact that he would “scribble notes” while in Russia “whenever he could” and then “surreptitiously” type them when “Marina would cover for him . . . muffle the tone of the typewriter and everything . . . . He said she would cover or watch for him so that nobody would know that he was making them . . . try to steer anybody away while he was doing this, because he could have got in trouble.”

She testified that the notes were “about the living conditions and the working conditions in Russia. And they were very bitter against Russia . . . . It was the terrible living conditions and the terrible working conditions . . . . The notes were very, very bitter about Russia.

“He smuggled them out of Russia. And he said that the whole time until they got over the border, they were scared to death they would be found, and, of course, they would not be allowed to leave Russia.”

Oswald also told Pauline Bates that while he was in the Marine Corps, he “had taken elementary Russian - a course in elementary Russian.” As noted earlier, six and a half months before he left on a “passenger-carrying freighter” with the Soviet Union as his ultimate destination, the Marines tested Oswald on his ability to understand Russian, read Russian, and write in Russian.

The FBI reported that when they interviewed Oswald on June 26, 1962, thirteen days after he returned to the United States, “Oswald declined to answer the question as to why he made the trip to Russia in the first place” and stated he “would not be willing to take a polygraph test.”

Oswald was put on the CIA’s Counterintelligence “Watch List” on November 9, 1959, nine days after he told U.S. embassy officials that he was renouncing his American citizenship and would “never return to the United States for any reason.”

The card with Oswald’s name on it simply states, “Recent defector to the USSR, Former Marine,” but it is also stamped “Secret: Eyes Only,” which means it was of the highest restriction when it comes to who sees it, and anyone who sees it knows they are not supposed to ask any questions about Lee Harvey Oswald.

To repeat, the CIA enlisted Oswald to feign defection to the Soviet Union. The idea that he was in Mexico trying to get a visa for travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union was completely manufactured in order to link Khrushchev and Castro to the assassination. LBJ would then fear a nuclear war and establish the Warren Commission with a “no conspiracy” mandate.

It’s all in my book. Click the link.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V9JT65Y

You're stirring up trouble again, Tom......... delicious !!!

Anthony, are you opening "that door," all the way?

How does Robert E. Webster fit in with what you've concluded about Oswald's "guided" Soviet relations?

It seems that every time the following string of "coincidences" is interrupted by events like JFK's defeat of Nixon, Carter's defeat of Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton's defeat of GHW Bush, Obama's defeat of McCain, and Biden's "steal" of Trump's "throne," the reaction of the important people in what once was, "the conservative party" is hyperbolic out of all proportion to the "offense"... being defeated in a democratic election.

Let us review...

This "round" so far, is "the big lie" the January 6, insurrection, followed by...

Maricopa County will need new voting machines after GOP's ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/maricopa-county-will-need-new-voting-machines-after-gop-s-n1268090
Contractors with Cyber Ninjas in Phoenix examine and recount ballots cast in the 2020 general election in Maricopa County on May 6. ... the chain of custody over the equipment when it was handed ...

...and
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Conservative group boasts of secret role in voting laws
NICHOLAS RICCARDI and ANTHONY IZAGUIRRE, Associated Press
May 14, 2021
The head of a national conservative group told supporters it secretly helped draft legislation in Republican-controlled statehouses across the country as part of a coordinated network of organizations pushing to tighten voting laws across the country.

Jessica Anderson, executive director of Heritage Action, made the claim during a recent meeting with supporters in Arizona...

“In some cases, we actually draft them for them,” Anderson said of legislation written for state lawmakers. “Or we have a sentinel on our behalf give them the model legislation, so it has that grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe.”

Anderson's comments shed additional light on precisely how well-funded national organizations have seized on false claims about the 2020 election to try to tighten state voting laws. .
...Heritage Action is one of several Republican-affiliated groups that jumped into elections issues for the first time after former President Donald Trump’s false claims about election fraud led to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The lies also have fanned deep suspicions about the integrity of the country’s voting systems among GOP activists and donors — Anderson noted Heritage activists cited it as a top issue in a survey — and led to new laws in Georgia, Florida, Iowa, Kansas and other states.
.. Republicans argue the tougher rules will guard against fraud and are needed to restore trust in the election system. On Friday, the liberal group End Citizens United released a report that tallied up more than $42 million that conservative groups have pledged to spend on election laws, including Heritage's $24 million budget...
...Heritage Action announced its effort in March, saying it would push legislation in eight battleground states based on model principles formulated by its parent organization, the conservative Heritage Foundation. Hans von Spakovsky, the foundation's top voting expert and a former member of Trump's 2017 election fraud commission, appeared at the event with Anderson and boasted of regularly talking with Republican secretaries of state. Anderson added that Heritage Action had just had a “huge” call with secretaries of state, who often serve as a state's chief elections official....


Continued- https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/07/AR2007060702289.html

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Jessica Anderson has led the organization since 2020. Jessica Anderson first joined Heritage Action in 2010 and served as grassroots director, but left in 2017 to serve in the Office of Management and Budget in the Trump Administration. She returned to Heritage Action as vice president in 2018 before being named executive director in 2020...

So, here is what I think needs to be considered. Before there was Oswald, there was Robert E. Webster ...

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Video_Clips_-_George_Michael_Evica.html?search=marina%20and%20webster

George Michael Evica, 2006..."Well I'm sorry, that's not Lee Harvey Oswald, that's Robert Webster. So she has confused two men similar, but not identical. Then we have to ask why does she have the information about Webster in writing, in her possession, and why she mistakes, if that's what happened, mistakes Webster for her husband, Oswald. Oswald, when he is exiting the Soviet Union, asks about Webster. The kind of thing you might say about uhh
Tom...I know that Tom is in Dallas, will he be leaving Dallas in the next week, or two, or next month? And they say, oh Tom, yes, he's still here. So we establish, through this interaction of no consequence that Lee knows about Webster, and knows enough about him to suggest that they might even know one another. That tells us again that there is something very interesting operating here, probably out of the American embassy, probably with people like a name that is not unfamiliar..Mr. Snyder, CIA, who may indeed, I think, may have been running at least two, if not four or five people who came over, approximately at the same time, and all of whom were dangles, inside of the false identity illegals program. Those people were approached, I am certain, by military intelligence in the Soviet Union, by the KGB, and in the case of Oswald, so suspect they were given very nice apartments and an income. So the Webster story takes us again into the larger framework, of American intelligence, illegals, and false identity cases, and the omnipresence of the dangle."


The continuity of coincidences begins with Ronald Reagan and John Shaheen both arriving on earth a couple of years apart, in an obscure Illinois town, Tampico, of less than 800 residents.

It ends, for now, with,

Opinion | Bill Barr's Junk Justice - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/the-argument-flynn-barr-coronavirus.html
May 14, 2020This is somebody that the conservative New York Times columnist William Safire called "cover-up" General Barr when he served in George H.W. Bush's administration. ... I've been an Op-Ed ...

ON LANGUAGE; This Ol' House - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/13/magazine/on-language-this-ol-house.html
Dec 13, 1992By William Safire. Dec. 13, 1992; Credit... The New York Times Archives. See the article in its original context from December 13, ... derided as the Cover-Up General by the Iraqgate implacables ...
Opinion | Essay; Cover-Up Triumphs - The New York Times
[Search domain nytimes.com] https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/20/opinion/essay-cover-up-triumphs.html
Feb 20, 1995The New York Times Archives. ... In Florida, President Bush hailed the latest 119-page whitewash as final refutation of Iraqgate charges by "Safire, Koppel, The Los Angeles Times and the national ...

Opinion | Essay; The Patsy Prosecutor - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/19/opinion/essay-the-patsy-prosecutor.html
Oct 19, 1992 By William Safire. Oct. 19, 1992; Credit... The New York Times Archives. See the article in its original context from October 19, 1992, Section A, Page 17 Buy Reprints. View on timesmachine.
"In a last-ditch maneuver to block an independent investigation into Iraqgate, Attorney General William Barr has hired a so-called "special" counsel. But the man lending his good reputation to this subterfuge can be fired by the very Attorney General he is supposed to investigate...."

(This time, it was John Durham...)

Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General" | The Village Voice
https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/
So fast has Barr's star dimmed in recent months that even conservative pundits like The New York Times's William Safire have taken to calling him the "Cover-Up General." But so poorly ...

Cover-up Attorney General Bill Barr strikes again | Salon.com
https://www.salon.com/2019/03/26/cover-up-attorney-general-bill-barr-strikes-again_partner/
Mar 26, 2019 Back in 1992, the last time Bill Barr was U.S. attorney general, iconic New York Times writer William Safire referred to him as "Coverup-General Barr" because of his role in burying evidence ...

So, if GW Bush had not been elected, (if he was, in 2000..) Robert Gates would not have been reintroduced into service. I understand why Obama kept Gates on, besides that it has been a traditional, bipartisan gesture only extended ny democrats... to complete the exit agreement with Iraq, but not for as long as Gates remained.

William Safire had been a Nixon speech writer and a friend of William Casey, but at some point, he grew weary of being lied to.

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TEN MYTHS ABOUT THE REAGAN DEBACLE - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/magazine/ten-myths-about-the-reagan-debacle.html
Mar 22, 1987 by William Safire
"..This hardening myth has strong roots. William J. Casey, former Director of Central Intelligence, admitted in writing that the ''opening'' would be the rationale for the ransom if discovered; the President admitted recently that this had all the appearance, despite his best intentions, of an arms-for-hostages swap; the Israeli contact, Amiram Nir, made plain to Vice President George Bush that we were dealing with radicals in Teheran. So how can anyone cling to that nonsense about helping ''moderate'' elements in Teheran?

You had to be there, say the men who were there, to understand. The way it ended was not how it began, nor was degeneration built in. The intellectual godfather was Donald R. Fortier, an authentic strategist out of the University of Chicago. (He died of cancer in August 1986, in the midst of the arms dealings, after thinking for weeks he had hepatitis.) Fortier's views were buttressed by Graham Fuller, a respected C.I.A. analyst. To this day, few of the President's derogators deride the idea of probing Iran to see what might be done after the 86-year-old Ayatollah dies. That country is not monolithic; the potential existence of ''moderates'' may be a naive belief, but in the wild melee to come it would be good to have a few of what the C.I.A. calls ''assets.''

Early along the way, the subject of ''establishing bona fides'' came up. To the Iranians, it meant weapons to win their war; to us, it meant getting our hostages back. Quickly, the tail began to wag the dog, but in the President's mind, the compassionate urge he felt to retrieve our citizens could be explained as part of his overall initiative. He never admitted to himself that the immediate goal overwhelmed the ultimate goal.

Why didn't he just say, then, after the story leaked, that he was trying to get our people out and it had failed and he was sorry? Because, while it may have been the objective truth, it was not the truth in his mind. The President still clung to the strategic rationale he wanted to buy from Fortier, Fuller and McFarlane, supported by Casey, Bush and Don Regan. Call it stubbornness, but Ronald Reagan did not get where he is without an innate obstinacy. MYTH 4: We should have known that the Iranians would leak this to humiliate us....

Graham Fuller showed up again, thirty years later...
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller
"Fuller has admitted that his daughter was previously married to an uncle of the suspects in the Boston Marathon attacks, and that they "lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so", but he insists that stories on the Internet implying “possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd”.[5].."

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Continued from my last post...

Note the mentions of John Shaheen in the following reporting of the late William Safire, a longtime friend of DCI William Casey whose relations with Casey became strained after Casey's first cancer diagnosis...

Shaheen, center of article, both columns.:

Eldon Rudd, LOL !



Quote
http://archive.org/stream/reportofcongress11unit/reportofcongress11unit_djvu.txt
Report of the congressional committees investigating the Iran- Contra Affair :....
Washington, D. C. Wednesday, July 22, 1987 Deposition of ROY FURMARK, called for examination at the offices of the Senate Select Committee, Suite 901, the Hart Senate Office Building, at 10:00 a.m.
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AFTERNOON SESSION (1:00 p.m.) Whereupon, ROY FURMARK resiimed the stand and, having been previously duly sworn, was examined and testified further as follows: EXAMINATION (Continued) BY MR. KERR:
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4 Q Let's shift gears a little bit. In terms of 5 Mr. Shaheen's relationship with William Casey, there was a 6 relationship? A Yes. 8 Q Can you describe what that relationship was? 9 A They were extremely close personal friends.- They 10 were both very much involved in Republican politics. They 11 were very much involved in the William J. Donovan Foundation 12 or the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services, which is an 13 all members who were in that service, and they would meet and I 14 have dinners and present awards out. They presented awards 15 to Thatcher, Willy Mountbatton, the three astronauts that 16 landed on the moon. They presented awards to President 17 Reagan, and so that was a focal point for them to get 18 together, I think, and in addition, they were involved with, 19 you know, doing legal work. He was in his own firm and then 20 he became a counsel to Rogers & Wells, and Jack Wells and 21 John, I think, were great pals as well as Casey, you know, 22 was involved in it, in New York City. Q Was Casey counsel to Shaheen during the time you were employed by Shaheen? A He did special things like when the company got into financial trouble, Newfoundland Refining Company, Casey and Shaheen and I went to Kuwait for about a week or 10 days trying to interest KNPC, Kuwait National Petroleum Company, owned by the government, to become a partner in Newfoundland Refinery, to invest funds to revamp the refinery so that we could use 100 percent Kuwaiti crude. .... He was an advisor when Shaheen had problems, and you know, but that was my longest involvement with Casey on that trip. Q Place that time for me, will you please? A 1975 or 1976, let's say. Q So this would be just before the time that you left? A Yes. Q Coming back, Shaheen had been in OSS at the same time Casey was in OSS and that's how they got to know one another? 2 A Yes . 3 Q Casey thereafter acted as legal counsel for 4 special projects for Shaheen; is that correct? 5 A Basically, yes. 6 Q Did Casey and Shaheen have business relationships 7 together to your knowledge? 8 A To my knowledge, I have never heard of any 9 business relationship. 10 Q So you don't know of any partnerships, joint 11 ventures, joint projects? 12 A No . I don't believe so. Shaheen just never did 13 things like that. 14 Q Shaheen, I believe, from a conversation you and I 15 had sometime ago, you characterized him as being a man who 16 didn't work well with partners?

Robert Gates is made out to be someone who would do what he was told and STFU, which he did, and it cost him US Senate approval as DCI on his first attempt. GW Bush put him in an NSA position not requiring Senate approval, like Gen. Mike Flynn in 2017.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/magazine/ten-myths-about-the-reagan-debacle.html
March 22, 1987 by William Safire








Again, in the right column, DCI Casey calls Safire back, yet again, to persuade him to read the transcript of
the Barbara Walters DISINFO interview transcript!



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