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Author Topic: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?  (Read 413594 times)

Offline John Iacoletti

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Are you sure about that?  I see 2 overhead door openings on the first floor layout on the west side.

Online Dan O'meara

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In the fabricated portion of Adams' WC testimony concerning Shelley and Lovelady we read this:

Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what they said?
Miss ADAMS - Nothing.

Adams didn't just see Shelley and Lovelady on the 1st floor, she interacted with them, spoke to them. It must be obvious to you that she couldn't have done that from the main entrance.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Are you sure about that?  I see 2 overhead door openings on the first floor layout on the west side.


Yes, but they open up to a loading dock at the west side of the building, as can be seen on this photo Dan posted earlier



If you look where the yellow line ("Oswald's pressumed escape route) starts, there is a door providing access to the basement area under the loading dock. I think there are more doors like that going north, but I am not sure. In any case, for Shelley and Lovelady to have entered through a door at the west side, they either would have had to take the door to the basement or climb on top of the loading platform and enter the first floor directly.

Am I sure? No, but it seems more logical to me they would go through the basement door and climb the stairs up to the first floor....


Online Martin Weidmann

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In the fabricated portion of Adams' WC testimony concerning Shelley and Lovelady we read this:

Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what they said?
Miss ADAMS - Nothing.

Adams didn't just see Shelley and Lovelady on the 1st floor, she interacted with them, spoke to them. It must be obvious to you that she couldn't have done that from the main entrance.

If this is what really happened, rather than simply misremembered.

She couldn't have spoken to the men from the main entrance, that's true, but she could have spoken to them as their paths crossed near the parking lot at the end of the dead end street

Online Dan O'meara

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Adams and Ernest talking about her WC testimony:

  I asked if she remembered seeing the Shelley/Lovelady
incident in the copy of testimony she was given to correct.
"I don't recall seeing that section at all," she answered. "If it
had been in there, and since I didn't see them, i would have
edited it out.

The Girl On The Stairs (pg 349)

She doesn't pass Shelley and Lovelady outside. If she did she would be walking back to the TSBD, not running out the door.


Offline John Iacoletti

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If you count windows, you'll see that the triangular area west of the building is on the same level as the first floor.

Online Martin Weidmann

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If you count windows, you'll see that the triangular area west of the building is on the same level as the first floor.

You are correct. I thought I was looking at the loading dock (which would have been at the same level as the dock behind the building on the north side) but at second look it may well be the roof of the extension of the first floor.


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