If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Michael T. Griffith]

MTG: 

Third, a huge problem with the WC's account is that if Oswald was only one foot past the foyer door when Baker spotted him, as Baker belatedly claimed, then Roy Truly, who was running ahead of Baker, surely would have seen Oswald either coming off the stairs, or walking across the landing toward the door, or opening the door. The Commission itself admitted that Oswald must have gone through the foyer door only "a second or two" before being spotted by Baker:

But the Commission never explained how Oswald could have done this. If Oswald had gone through the foyer door before Truly reached the top of the stairs, he would have been several feet beyond the door by the time Baker reached the landing, and thus would not have been visible to Baker through the window. And, if Oswald had entered the door "only a second or two" before Baker reached the top of the stairwell, then Truly could not have missed seeing him.
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Me:

Unless, of course, Oswald lingered inside the foyer-vestibule for a few seconds after entering it and was maybe even peeking back out through the window in the door ("Who's that I hear stomping up the stairs?") enabling Baker to catch a glimpse of him as he quickly turned away and started walking into the lunch room proper (with his bottle-of-Coke prop), especially if Baker  swung super-wide in that direction as he turned towards the stairs that led up to the third floor.

Oswald could even have been peeking through the window while Truly was very briefly on the second floor's landing a few seconds earlier.

After all, it was later determined that it would only have taken Oswald about one minute to leave the sniper's nest, stash the carbine, and get to the second-floor lunchroon, arriving there very probably several seconds before Truly emerged from the stairwell onto the second floor's landing.

No such thing was ever determined. The WC had to severely rig its reenactment just to barely get Oswald there in time to be seen by Baker, and the reenactment ignored the problem of Oswald's not being seen or heard by anybody who was on or near those stairs at the time. Please read this article:

https://miketgriffith.com/files/bakerlho.htm

Additionally, we should keep in mind that the men watching the motorcade from fifth-floor windows beneath the sniper's nest said they heard no movement above them after the shots were fired, and they were separated from the nest only by thin plywood floor boarding that had cracks between the planks. One of them said he could hear a rifle bolt operating and shells hitting the floor above them during the shooting--yet, again, these men heard no movement above them after the shots were fired. This is exactly what we would expect from snipers who knew they had no need to hurriedly leave either the sniper's nest or the floor.

We should also remember that plaza witnesses described seeing two men who appeared to be fleeing from the Book Depository, but WC apologists have ignored their accounts because they don't fit the lone-gunman scenario.

[Colin Crow]

Yeah, I know. No one has ever changed anyone’s opinion around here. Except maybe on a minor point or two. Which I consider this to be. He asked for evidence of LHO being in the sniper’s nest during this time period. And has failed to show that it just couldn’t be true.

Who asked for evidence of Oswald being in the SN during what time period?

And as for no one ever changing anyone's opinion......

"Quote from: John Mytton on 15 September 2018, 12:46:41
C'mon Colin we have debated this before, correct me if I'm wrong but where this is going is that you believe that Williams actually saw the killer and that's why they all lied, and as I remember I agreed with you and said that Williams must have seen Oswald and then you disagreed that it was Oswald, am I right?

JohnM"

[Charles Collins]

Who asked for evidence of Oswald being in the SN during what time period?

And as for no one ever changing anyone's opinion......

"Quote from: John Mytton on 15 September 2018, 12:46:41
C'mon Colin we have debated this before, correct me if I'm wrong but where this is going is that you believe that Williams actually saw the killer and that's why they all lied, and as I remember I agreed with you and said that Williams must have seen Oswald and then you disagreed that it was Oswald, am I right?

JohnM"

Who asked for evidence of Oswald being in the SN during what time period?


You did. See posts 301 through 305 for the details.

[Bill Chapman]

Brennan said he was sitting on the wall directly opposite the TSBD, when video evidence shows he was sitting somewhere else.
Brennan said he couldn't identify the killer in a line up and then he suddenly could
Brennan claimed he saw Kennedy's head explode when video shows he wasn't even watching in the direction of the car a split second earlier....

But hey, you know these guys; if a witness says something they like, they don't care just how often he changes his story and lies....

The wall: Tell us where he was if not on the wall.
The lineup: Didn't, not couldn't.
Exploding head: It was his ghostwriter who claimed that Brennan said he saw the Kennedy's head explode. Brennan said no such thing in testimony.

[Colin Crow]

Bonnie Ray Williams occupied the SN until about 12.25pm.

Here is my original claim.....you do understand that "about" might reasonably be a minute or so earlier. The point being that he was on the sixth floor much later than the official story claimed and the assembled evidence indicates that he was occupying the SN.

[Colin Crow]

Who asked for evidence of Oswald being in the SN during what time period?


You did. See posts 301 through 305 for the details.

Don’t see anything mentioning Oswald by me in those posts.

[Colin Crow]

Brennan was focused on answering questions during his testimony. He wasn't asked about whether or not he looked at his watch. In his book he included more detail. It is that simple. Here is his relevant testimony:

Mr. BELIN. I ask you to state, if you know, what this is.
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. That is the retaining wall
Representative Ford. Are those the positions where you were sitting on November 22?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. At about 12
Mr. BRENNAN. From about 12:22 or 12:24 until the time of the assassination.

Fascinating analysis about Brennan's focus during the WC testimony....

And yet...

Mr. BELIN. And then after lunch, where did you go?
Mr. BRENNAN. I finished lunch and I glanced at a clock--I don't know exactly where the clock is located--and noticed it was 12:18. So I thought I still had a few minutes, that I might see the parade and the President. I walked to the corner of Houston and Elm.


Later he simply offers 12.22-12.24. No recollection of his watch at that point in 1964 under oath.

He offers this. He remembered a specific time leaving the cafe....go figure. He obviously lost focus later on and forgot about looking at his watch but remembered doing so for a book written years later.....of course. One published posthumously in 1987. Right on the money.

And you say I am full of it.....