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Author Topic: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?  (Read 406355 times)

Online Dan O'meara

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Yes, it’s almost as if they didn’t really hear anything over their heads...
Not even the shots?

Offline Alan Ford

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I take it you believe someone "encouraged" Williams to slowly migrate his story to be eating lunch on the 6th floor after noon.

Maybe! Or maybe Mr Williams did spend a v. short time eating his lunch up there on his own, awaiting the expected arrival of his workmates, before being ordered off the floor by... someone.

Initially he tried to hide any visit to the sixth floor. Then he gave a series of garbled versions of the truth.

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They also "encouraged" Norman and Jarman to eventually abandon their belief that Williams went up with them.

They never believed anything of the sort! And most likely it was Mr Williams himself who did the encouraging on the score of backing up his story.

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If it was Piper, surely he simply becomes the de facto Williams. Black employee who left the floor before the shooting, "nothing to see here".

I'm not arguing that it was Mr Piper, just that he fits Mr Rowland's description much better than Mr Williams does.

If not Mr Piper, then a member of the assassination team.

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Offline Alan Ford

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And so you have the conundrum of Dougherty close to the elevator and yet not noticing a fleeing assassin descending the stairwell. It seems he is reliable when required but retarded when unsupportive of the official narrative.

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Online Joffrey van de Wiel

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Not even the shots?

I think the reasoning is: if they heard the shots fired directly above them from the 'sniper's nest', then what could be their motivation to run to the southwest corner in stead of alerting law enforcement by yelling or going downstairs? An assumption could be they rushed to the opposite corner in order to have a better view of the grassy knoll/parking lot area as many people on ground level rushed this area in pursuit of presumed hooters.

I believe one of them said the shots 'shook the building' which is nonsensical.
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Offline Colin Crow

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Maybe! Or maybe Mr Williams did spend a v. short time eating his lunch up there on his own, awaiting the expected arrival of his workmates, before being ordered off the floor by... someone.

Initially he tried to hide any visit to the sixth floor. Then he gave a series of garbled versions of the truth.

They never believed anything of the sort! And most likely it was Mr Williams himself who did the encouraging on the score of backing up his story.

I'm not arguing that it was Mr Piper, just that he fits Mr Rowland's description much better than Mr Williams does.

If not Mr Piper, then a member of the assassination team.

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As you are probably aware I agree with most of what you have written above. Likely that Rowland simply tried to provide information but was mistaken on finer detail. He described what happened on the 6th floor in essence.

I think we can all agree that analysis of all the assembled statements leads one to believe the Warren Report description of events on the 6th floor just prior to the shooting are unsupported. The investigation largely failed to explain the significant changes in events described before the WC from statements assembled in the months previous.

Online Gerry Down

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When Truly introduces himself to Baker he has already decided they are going to the roof (in his testimony he describes it as an almost psychic-like moment when he just knows where Baker needs to go). Truly takes control and leads the way. They get to the elevators and Truly can't call the west one down (or he only pretends to try) and the shouts to whoever is on the upper floors the equivalent of "I'm here with the police boys, It's showtime". Truly races up the stairs with Baker trailing behind.
Even though they are racing towards a shooter, civilian Truly leads the way, in front of a policeman with a drawn revolver.

This has always been odd. Why would Truly run head-long into the path of a fleeing shooter ahead of Baker? And why would Baker let him do that?

Online Dan O'meara

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Maybe! Or maybe Mr Williams did spend a v. short time eating his lunch up there on his own, awaiting the expected arrival of his workmates, before being ordered off the floor by... someone.

Initially he tried to hide any visit to the sixth floor. Then he gave a series of garbled versions of the truth.

They never believed anything of the sort! And most likely it was Mr Williams himself who did the encouraging on the score of backing up his story.

I'm not arguing that it was Mr Piper, just that he fits Mr Rowland's description much better than Mr Williams does.

If not Mr Piper, then a member of the assassination team.

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How very annoying this particular area of study is.
"Of course it's not Piper," I thought. But best to check it out.
Piper watches the parade through the first floor window. Except there aren't first floor windows. Its those thick, distorted glass blocks and a concrete 'lattice-work'. Piper did not watch the parade through these.
So what puts him on the first floor at the time of the assassination? Troy Eugene West is at his wrapping station, as he always is, facing the very 'windows' Piper says he is at:

Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone else on the first floor while you were eating your lunch? Anyone else at all did you see on the first floor?
Mr. WEST - It wasn't anybody. I didn't see anybody around at that time.

The only other person to put him on the first floor is Dougherty and his fantasy BS about coming down after hearing a shot.
There's nothing that puts Piper on the first floor. His claims that the window vibrated because of the shots (shots West never heard) now seems really suspect. He also claims that he and Truly had a shouted exchange concerning the elevators. This seems suspect as well as Baker has zero recollection of it.
I can't see anything that prevents Piper being spotted in the snipers nest by Rowland.

It's so annoying  >:(