If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Colin Crow]

This perfectly illustrates the problem with Vicky Adams testimony. According to the above, Normans EARLIEST account, the guys on the 5th floor ran down the back stairwell IMMEDIATELY after the shots had been fired. Which of course they didn't. They actually went to the west windows for a minute or two.

People make generalized statements, like Norman here, which people then take literally.

What likely happened is that Adams made a generalized statement early on, which she then later modified into a literal one due to bad memory.

On three previous occasions he related the trip to the sw windows. This is not his earliest account.

[Colin Crow]

Rowland is a remarkable witness in the level of detail he observes. He qualifies his observation of the black male in the snipers nest by saying "I didn't pay very much attention to him" which I'm going to use as a 'get out' for the inaccuracy of the specific details he gives. How does an ID of Piper even begin to fit with the testimonies of Norman and Jarman? Why does Williams place himself on the 6th floor at this time? Why does Dougherty place Piper on the 1st floor but then admits to being on the 6th floor moments before and after the shooting?
I think it is far more likely Rowland messed up on the details because he was more concerned looking out for the white guy with the rifle. I will certainly be following this train of thought but in the insane madhouse of contradiction and deception that is the TSBD it's hard to know where this will lead. The 'elderly' black male in the snipers nest will probably end up being Geneva Hines. It wouldn't surprise me anymore.

I tend to agree with you Dan. I think that we can all agree that the assembled evidence shows that the events involving Williams did not play out as they were stated in the Warren Report.

[Gerry Down]

On three previous occasions he related the trip to the sw windows. This is not his earliest account.

It shows how eyewitnesses change their story. Norman may only have said they went to the windows because Williams and Jarman said they did. Norman may have no independent recollection of going to the windows and this is coming through now in the Jan 1964 report.

Vicky Adams couldn't have come down the stars as quick as she stated for the simple reason that she would have ran straight into Truly and Baker. And of course Oswald which she claimed she never even heard on the stairs.

[Colin Crow]

It shows how eyewitnesses change their story. Norman may only have said they went to the windows because Williams and Jarman said they did. Norman may have no independent recollection of going to the windows and this is coming through now in the Jan 1964 report.

Vicky Adams couldn't have come down the stars as quick as she stated for the simple reason that she would have ran straight into Truly and Baker. And of course Oswald which she claimed she never even heard on the stairs.

I could propose his story didn’t change. It simply did not contain a detail he had supplied on three previous occasions. I’m sure the investigators could work it out with corroboration. I wonder why Adams and Styles were not included in the recreations conducted by Ball and Belin. Dougherty was excluded also, such an important witness regarding the movement of the west elevator just before and after the shots.

[Gerry Down]

I could propose his story didn’t change. It simply did not contain a detail he had supplied on three previous occasions. I’m sure the investigators could work it out with corroboration. I wonder why Adams and Styles were not included in the recreations conducted by Ball and Belin. Dougherty was excluded also, such an important witness regarding the movement of the west elevator just before and after the shots.

It was good not to include them. Adams and Styles were misremembering the timing and Dougherty, who was described as retarded by Truly, would only complicate matters even more. The result would have been a mess.

[Colin Crow]

It was good not to include them. Adams and Styles were misremembering the timing and Dougherty, who was described as retarded by Truly, would only complicate matters even more. The result would have been a mess.

If they were misremembering surely that would have surfaced in the recreations. Do you believe Dougherty used the West elevator immediately before and after the shots?

[Gerry Down]

Do you believe Dougherty used the West elevator immediately before and after the shots?

The problem is that Dougherty claimed to be right beside the north stairwell. If his memory is correct, he should have seen Oswald (or whoever fired the shots from the 6th floor) coming down the north stairwell.

If Oliver Stones JFK movie is to believed, a whole group of assassins were on the 6th floor at the time. Dougherty needs to explain why he heard no one come down the stairs.

Seems odd. Dougherty heard no one come down the stairs and neither did Adams and Styles. Maybe the stairs weren't as noisy as people claim.