If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Tim Nickerson]

Any discussion on Oswald's escape should take into account Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig's report that about 15 minutes after the assassination he saw Oswald run from the rear of the TSBD and get into a Rambler station wagon driven by a man with a dark complexion. In spite of Craig's sterling record as a police officer, WC apologists have rejected Craig's account because it destroys the WC's version of Oswald's movements after the shooting. There is good evidence that supports Craig's account, as Dr. Michael Kurtz explains:

How does Roger Craig's report fit with Oswald being on McWatter's bus within 10 minutes after the shooting? Mrs Bledsoe testified that she saw Oswald on McWatter's bus and the transfer found in his shirt pocket leaves no doubt that he was on that bus.

[John Iacoletti]

When we look at the transcripts of the Dallas Police Tapes we find the same, mistaken claim:

"We have a man here who says he saw him pull the weapon back through the window off of the second floor from the southeast corner of that depository building"

This message is surely the one Adams is referencing. It takes place at 12:37.

But this message says nothing about the 4th floor, and Adams specifically mentioned panicking because she thought her window was the only open one on the 4th floor.

Also, as I mentioned previously and it was ignored, the 12:37 broadcast about the second floor was on channel 2, but that was reserved for motorcade traffic, and they went to Parkland.

I've heard elsewhere claims that these dispatch times are not wholly accurate which may be the case but it seems to me there is an independent way to check this. The shooting happens at 12:30 and this is totally reflected in the transcripts of the Dallas Police tapes.

There’s no reference on the police tapes of the shooting happening at 12:30 on the channel 2 dispatcher’s clock.

[Dan O'meara]

But this message says nothing about the 4th floor, and Adams specifically mentioned panicking because she thought her window was the only open one on the 4th floor.

Also, as I mentioned previously and it was ignored, the 12:37 broadcast about the second floor was on channel 2, but that was reserved for motorcade traffic, and they went to Parkland.

There’s no reference on the police tapes of the shooting happening at 12:30 on the channel 2 dispatcher’s clock.

1)You're absolutely correct, there is no mention of any activity on the 4th floor and Adams states that "shots had been fired which apparently came either from the second
   floor or the fourth floor window, and so I panicked, as I was at the only open window on the fourth floor." My point was that the report of a shooter in the 2nd floor window
   seemed really unusual. Most other reports were about the 5th or 6th floors. I was struck that when Adams was asked to clarify whether she misheard the report or not she
   was insistent it was about the 2nd floor. I then found it remarkably coincidental that a report was sent out over the radio containing the same unusual piece of information - a
   possible shooter on the second floor. It also fit the timeline of Adams hearing the report then trying to get back inside and having to talk her way past an officer, so the process
   of locking down the TSBD had begun but hadn't reached the point where they were refusing to let anyone back in. As you say, the lack of mention of the fourth floor is an
   issue but, for me at least, it doesn't negate how interesting I find the coincidence of Adams testimony concerning a sighting on the second floor and there being a record of
   such an unusual report.

2) I don't know about the point concerning Channel 2. In the transcripts of the Dallas Police tapes channel 2 is represented but it has lots of radio traffic concerning the TSBD,
    I'm assuming from officers who were part of the motorcade detail (ie; Harkness) but like I say I'm not up to speed on that.

3) Nowhere do I say there's a reference to the shooting happening at 12:30 on the channel 2 dispatcher's clock. It's like you've invented an allegation that I'm supposed to
    refute (and it's not the first time you've done that). The last message on channel 2 before 12:30 is "Approaching Triple Underpass". The first message on channel 2 after
    12:30 is "Go to the hospital - Parkland Hospital. Have them stand by". I didn't say there was a reference to the shooting, I said the shooting was reflected in the transcripts
    and it clearly is.

[John Iacoletti]

You said “The shooting happens at 12:30 and this is totally reflected in the transcripts of the Dallas Police tapes“, but it’s not reflected in the tapes when the shooting happened. For one thing, the dictabelts were sound activated and not continuous. For another, the last dispatcher time check before “approaching triple underpass” is 12:28, and “approaching triple underpass” is sufficiently vague to not know how far away Curry was when he said that. And Curry was ahead of the limo too. Then there is a 12:30 time check, then “go to the hospital”, then not another time check until 12:35. Per Bowles, the time checks can be rounded up or down from the actual dispatcher’s clock, and we don’t know how accurate the dispatcher clocks were to begin with. So no, a shooting time of 12:30 is not reflected in the tapes. Nor do we even know from any other source that 12:30 was the shooting time. At best we have a McIntyre photo that shows 12:30 on the Hertz clock with the limo coming out from the underpass on the other side, but we also don’t know how or when the Hertz clock was calibrated. So all of this combines to a conclusion that you can’t rely on the 12:37 time check for any precision surrounding when Adams heard something about the 2nd or 4th floor.

[Dan O'meara]

So no, a shooting time of 12:30 is not reflected in the tapes.

You've done it again, is there something wrong with you? Do you know you're doing it?
Nowhere have I said the shooting time of 12:30 reflected in the tapes. I've never heard the tapes so I wouldn't know. Yet again you twist what is actually written into what you want to hear, put this new version of things in other people's mouths and then claim your little victory.
That said, there's still valuable information in your post that I will look into.

[Martin Weidmann]

Being wrong or leaving out details of something you did or experienced months prior is not necessarily lying. Just about every witness that day recounted something incorrectly. That doesn't mean that everyone of them were liars. Your quickness to label Shelley and Lovelady as liars is a poor reflection on yourself.

Does that also mean that Victoria Adams could have misremembered where and when she saw Shelley and Lovelady?

The time line I constructed based on the combined testimony of the witnesses shows that Adams & Styles passed by the South West corner of the building at around the same time Shelley & Lovelady were there....

[Tim Nickerson]

Does that also mean that Victoria Adams could have misremembered where and when she saw Shelley and Lovelady?

The time line I constructed based on the combined testimony of the witnesses shows that Adams & Styles passed by the South West corner of the building at around the same time Shelley & Lovelady were there....

Of course it does.  Absolutely.