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If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?
Colin Crow:
--- Quote from: Bill Chapman on June 15, 2020, 01:29:48 PM ---Trying to part Kennedy's hair prematurely (making an attempt with the limo still on Houston) would be tantamount to saying 'Here I am. Come and get me'
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Would he have known the position of all armed personnel in the motorcade? Was this published in the paper beforehand? One would assume that LBJ might also have had armed SS as well. Once the first shot rang out the shooter would logically assume the gig to be up. At that point return fire become a distinct possibility. The longer the duration from the first shot the greater the threat to the shooter.
Colin Crow:
--- Quote from: Paul May on June 07, 2020, 03:57:52 PM ---History shows us Oswald had no escape plan. In fact, Oswald’s behavior on the day of the event imo shows Oswald never expected to survive the day. Why would he care? He had little left in his life to live for. Study Oswald’s life. It’s a logical conclusion.
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Not sure why he needed $13. He had access to much more but left it in Irving. If he expected to die, why take such a strange sum?
Richard Smith:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 15, 2020, 11:05:03 PM ---Hi Richard,
thank you for your considered response. Firstly I'd like to make it clear I am not suggesting Oswald was innocent. His actions of slipping away as soon as possible, going home, picking up a revolver then heading out doesn't speak of innocence. How carrying fake ID that links him to the murder weapon suggests innocence really is a head scratcher, as is the notion that an innocent person would hang around telling everyone they had an alibi, why would an innocent person think they needed to do that? Whether he was on his own or with others he was involved to some extent.
I'm also not sure about the characterisation of him as a bumbling criminal. He was intelligent, albeit with mental health issues, but most importantly he was a military man and it was in the military he learned to use a rifle. While the assassination of JFK can obviously be classified a crime it can also be viewed as a military operation and I find it difficult to believe Oswald wouldn't have approached it that way. He would have to plan how to be in the right place at the right time with a rifle without getting caught, he would then plan his getaway - get out of the building, get on a Greyhound, head for Mexico or some prepared location. Heading to the movies is not a getaway plan.
If we assume Qswald was the lone assassin then it is easy to classify as some kind of moron - by shooting from his own place of work he incriminates himself, by slipping away he incriminates himself, he has no getaway plan and in his wallet is false ID linking him to the murder weapon. Moron or intelligent, military trained man?
I find Oswald's use of the word 'Patsy' interesting. As I understand it this word has a very specific meaning - someone being used or manipulated by others. The way he uses the word seems to have a similar meaning to 'Fall Guy' or 'Scapegoat'. He is obviously involved but feels he's being set up. Looking at it this way a lot of the above contradictions can be understood to a certain degree but it leaves us with another conundrum.
If there is a bigger operation going on that is going to be pinned on Oswald how can they have their 'Patsy' just wandering around the TSBD? He could be outside being photographed or talking with colleagues when the assassination occurs. How can the whole TSBD be controlled, making sure nobody else in on the 6th floor and that the 'Patsy' is isolated?
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Oswald understood and accepted the fact that he would be arrested or killed. Any notion of escaping from this act was a fantasy. There was no good plan for escaping. Oswald would have taken that into consideration in making the decision as to whether or not he would commit this act. His only good option for not being arrested was not to commit the act. He decided to do so knowing the consequences. In terms of his use of the term "patsy," when you look at the full context of his statement he is suggesting that he has been arrested because he lived in the Soviet Union. It is a rush to judgment claim that he has been arrested due to his political beliefs not a claim of any specific knowledge of a conspiracy. That fits perfectly with Oswald's desire to portray himself as some type of political prisoner.
Bill Chapman:
--- Quote from: Ray Mitcham on June 16, 2020, 09:05:03 AM --- :) I think Richard must feel a little sheepish, after ewe corrected him.
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It was just shear sheer luck that I noticed the error
Bill Chapman:
--- Quote from: Colin Crow on June 16, 2020, 09:31:25 AM ---Would he have known the position of all armed personnel in the motorcade? Was this published in the paper?
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Oswald didn't have to know SFA other than the prez would be passing by his place of work on the Friday of the week he found out about it. Shooting at Kennedy while still on Houston would be plain dumb, no matter from which trigger-happy-cop-or-hung-over-SAgent-position.
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