Were Jim Garrison And Oliver Stone Taken In By KGB Disinformation?

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Offline Thomas Graves

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Were Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone taken in by KGB disinformation?

It sure looks that way to me.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/fall_winter_2001/article02.html#_ftnref70

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Re: Were Jim Garrison And Oliver Stone Taken In By KGB Disinformation?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 08:02:38 PM »
Were Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone taken in by KGB disinformation?

It sure looks that way to me.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/fall_winter_2001/article02.html#_ftnref70

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Here's another example of the kind of "alternative facts" the humanitarian organization known as the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) likes to deal in.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Were Jim Garrison And Oliver Stone Taken In By KGB Disinformation?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 02:24:22 AM »
Were Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone taken in by KGB disinformation?

It sure looks that way to me.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/fall_winter_2001/article02.html#_ftnref70

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Interesting article! Here’s an excerpt that I find interesting:

“None of this seemed to matter, least of all to the CIA, until the publisher of Garrison’s memoir thrust a copy into the hands of filmmaker Oliver Stone during an international film festival in Cuba.[68] That chance encounter eventually led to the endorsement of Paese Sera’s disinformation by a major Hollywood film, JFK. In the movie, Garrison (portrayed by Kevin Costner) confronts Shaw (played by Tommy Lee Jones) with an Italian newspaper article exposing Shaw’s role as a CIA operative. The confrontation, of course, never occurred in real life; yet the scene captures a hidden historical truth. The epicenter of Garrison’s prosecution, and the wellspring for his ultimate theory of the assassination, was the DA’s belief in a fantasy published by a Communist-owned Italian newspaper.”

It appears obvious to me that the disinformation intentionally deflected attention away from Cuba and Castro. And therefore I find it ironic that the Garrison memoir was put into Oliver Stone’s hands while he was in Cuba!

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 02:42:22 AM »
Oliver Stone is, I want to say this accurately and in a way to avoid saying misleading information,  he sympathizes often with the anti-American and anti-Capitalist view and I want to hold my tongue in saying pro-communist but it appears that way sometimes. For all I know, maybe he's right sometimes.

Director, producer, I am not always sure of but he was involved in the movie Wall Street,  a story on capitalist greed, then, we have Platoon, and yes, the USA is sort of the bad guy.  He's done a few other movies, 

Scarface, written by Stone:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_(1983_film)  We know Tony Montana is a bad Cuban and we know, early in the picture, there is some film footage of Castro. The list probably goes on...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheOliverStone

He goes along with the Venezuelan government. I think if one looks at the situation in that country, the people are suffering... so, Yeah, he's a bit of a commie sympathizer. I'm sure some of his work though, is still palatable.
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Were Jim Garrison And Oliver Stone Taken In By KGB Disinformation?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 02:42:43 AM »
Uh, any more rhetorical - for you - questions, Mr. Graves?

Having never viewed JFK ( the film) as some sort of history lesson - lots of good acting, good "period" piece - and having no respect for Garrison's "performance " in "real life", who cares who influenced them.

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Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 04:05:42 AM »
Uh, any more rhetorical - for you - questions, Mr. Graves?

Having never viewed JFK ( the film) as some sort of history lesson - lots of good acting, good "period" piece - and having no respect for Garrison's "performance " in "real life", who cares who influenced them.

Tonkovich,

I saw it right after it came out, and now I realize it was an anti-America propaganda piece by the virtual pimp known as Oliver "I Like KGB Mafia Boy Putin and My Son Works For RT" Stone.

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 04:16:47 AM »
Interesting article! Here’s an excerpt that I find interesting:

“None of this seemed to matter, least of all to the CIA, until the publisher of Garrison’s memoir thrust a copy into the hands of filmmaker Oliver Stone during an international film festival in Cuba.[68] That chance encounter eventually led to the endorsement of Paese Sera’s disinformation by a major Hollywood film, JFK. In the movie, Garrison (portrayed by Kevin Costner) confronts Shaw (played by Tommy Lee Jones) with an Italian newspaper article exposing Shaw’s role as a CIA operative. The confrontation, of course, never occurred in real life; yet the scene captures a hidden historical truth. The epicenter of Garrison’s prosecution, and the wellspring for his ultimate theory of the assassination, was the DA’s belief in a fantasy published by a Communist-owned Italian newspaper.”

It appears obvious to me that the disinformation intentionally deflected attention away from Cuba and Castro. And therefore I find it ironic that the Garrison memoir was put into Oliver Stone’s hands while he was in Cuba!

Charles,

Another interesting thing involving Cuba and the KGB as they relate to the JFK assassination is the fact that KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov, the guy whom Cuban consul Eusebio Azcue in 1978 described to a "T" as being the "Oswald" he'd dealt with ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH OR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH was the dude who had turned Raul Castro onto Soviet Communism in 1953 while Raul was returning to Cuba by boat after attending a Young Communists' convention in ... gasp ... Italy,  and then later Raul introduced Leonov to ... gasp ... Che Guevara in Cuba in 1955, iirc.

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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2020, 07:49:17 AM »
Charles,

Another interesting thing involving Cuba and the KGB as they relate to the JFK assassination is the fact that KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov, the guy whom Cuban consul Eusebio Azcue in 1978 described to a "T" as being the "Oswald" he'd dealt with ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH OR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH was the dude who had turned Raul Castro onto Soviet Communism in 1953 while Raul was returning to Cuba by boat after attending a Young Communists' convention in ... gasp ... Italy,  and then later Raul introduced Leonov to ... gasp ... Che Guevara in Cuba in 1955, iirc.

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Che was not in Cuba in 1955. He was in Mexico. He very well could have met Leonov in Mexico.
Che witnessed Operation PBSUCCESS and PBFORTUNE in Guatemala in 1954, which led him to the 26 July folks in Mexico.

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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2020, 07:57:35 AM »
Che was not in Cuba in 1955. He was in Mexico. He very well could have met Leonov in Mexico.
Che witnessed Operation PBSUCCESS and PBFORTUNE in Guatemala in 1954, which led him to the 26 July folks in Mexico.

Nice catch.

The point is, though, that short, blond, skinny, very thin-faced Nikolai Leonov turned both Raul and Che onto Soviet-style Communism, and a few years later, when he was a KGB colonel working as "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City, probably gave Sylvia Duran or Azcue some passport-sized photos of Oswald that had been taken in the USSR, and maybe even some forged-by-KGB Cuban visa application forms based on writing / printing samples from Oswald's letters, etc, and told Duran, Mirabal and Azcue what to do and say (all with Fidel Castro's blessings, one would think).

During his June, 1975, Church Committee testimony, Angleton tried to point out that Leonov's business card or calling card was found in Castro's notebook when he and Che, et al., were arrested in Mexico City in 1956.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2020, 12:22:47 PM »
Charles,

Another interesting thing involving Cuba and the KGB as they relate to the JFK assassination is the fact that KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov, the guy whom Cuban consul Eusebio Azcue in 1978 described to a "T" as being the "Oswald" he'd dealt with ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH OR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH was the dude who had turned Raul Castro onto Soviet Communism in 1953 while Raul was returning to Cuba by boat after attending a Young Communists' convention in ... gasp ... Italy,  and then later Raul introduced Leonov to ... gasp ... Che Guevara in Cuba in 1955, iirc.

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The Oliver Stone movie inspired me to begin my own research. Before that, I was intrigued, but I wasn’t interested enough to get more involved. The first books that I read tried to convince the readers that American leaders such as LBJ, JEH, etc were responsible for the assassination. They cashed in on the distrust of authority that has become so fashionable in my lifetime. For years I thought that it could have happened that way, but there just wasn’t anything more than conjecture and innuendo to support the ideas. A new approach with an open mind to the official report convinced me that LHO was responsible for the assassination. And that he most likely had no assistance. However, there is some evidence that suggests that the Cubans knew that there was going to be an assassination attempt beforehand. I suggest that people should learn more about Castro and compare his prior behavior and motivations to the other’s. Guerrilla Prince by Georgie Anne Geyer is a great place to do just that.

 

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