Then went outside to watch P. parade

[Royell Storing]

You keep asking questions, trying to deflect from what is quite a simple point, that a suggestion was made (not by you) that stopping to wipe finger prints from the rifle would mean Oswald needed to fly down the stairs rather than take a brisk walk. I am asking for a fact to support that suggestion. If you can't provide one I'm not sure why you are commenting or what you are trying to achieve.

   Let's Not forget that Before "flying down the stairs", Oswald had to travel Kitty-corner across the entire 6th floor from: (1) the Snipers Nest, to (2) the Hidey Slot, to (3) the Stairwell. There also were numerous stacks of books in addition to assorted bric-a-brac scattered all over/across that entire 6th Floor. Going from the Sniper's Nest and traveling Kitty-corner completely across the 6th Floor was not a simple Point A-To-Point B stroll. 

[Thomas Graves]

   Let's Not forget that Before "flying down the stairs", Oswald had to travel Kitty-corner across the entire 6th floor from: (1) the Snipers Nest, to (2) the Hidey Slot, to (3) the Stairwell. There also were numerous stacks of books in addition to assorted bric-a-brac scattered all over/across that entire 6th Floor. Going from the Sniper's Nest and traveling Kitty-corner completely across the 6th Floor was not a simple Point A-To-Point B stroll.

Wasn't someone filmed doing it within a "workable" amount of time in a simulated setting?

One minute?

Minute-and-a-half?

(Going from memory, here.)

--  MWT 

Ah, yes.  Here it is.

[Nicholas Turner]

You should be asking why flying down the stairs automatically makes you winded? Don't get hung up on semantics. My "guessitmate" that Oswald was moving quickly down the stairs was because approx. 90 seconds after the shots rang out, Oswald was encountered in the second-floor lunchroom by Dallas police officer Marrion L, who did not notice that Oswald was winded. Obviously I can't prove it was impossible for Oswald to have done that, only that IMO it was improbable. The onus is on you to rebuke my guessimate by demonstrating it was possible. Otherwise, I'm not married to it and it doesn't make Oswald a LN by default.

If you can take 3 shots, wipe down the rifle of all your prints, ditch it as shown in the Alyea film and get to the 2nd floor in 90 seconds I will concede that it was possible. But I still wouldn't believe that's how it went down because that's just 1 piece of  evidence, of many, that casts doubt on Oswald being the shooter. So instead of tying myself into knots trying to make the LN narrative fit, I go with Occam's Razor and the patsy hypothesis fits like a glove. But that's JMHO, believe what you like.

There is no onus on me because I've not make a suggestion or claim that it is possible. The onus is on those that make a suggestion. I referred to a reenactment which showed the journey could be done in around 50 seconds at a brisk steady pace but beyond that made no claim. I have never attempted to wipe finger prints from a rifle but since you gave a suggestion for the time involved in doing this assumed you had some knowledge rather than were just expressing an opinion hence my question.

I find it interesting that people seem to want to pick up on any word or phrase used by witnesses etc and analyse it to death but then feel they can make comments on here based on their opinions and then when asked to back it up they argue semantics and try to push the burden of proof onto those asking for supporting evidence. Happens on both sides of the debate and guess it comes with the territory.

[Nicholas Turner]

Wasn't someone filmed doing it within a "workable" amount of time in a simulated setting?

One minute?

Minute-and-a-half?

(Going from memory, here.)

--  MWT 

Ah, yes.  Here it is.

That's the reenactment I was referring to. Completed in less than 50 seconds at a steady pace and not winded. Suggests that being seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the last shot would have been possible if this reenactment is accurate.

[Thomas Graves]

There is no onus on me because I've not make a suggestion or claim that it is possible. The onus is on those that make a suggestion.

Nick,

How long do you think it took Oswald to do the actual hiding of the carbine?  Ten seconds?

How much longer did it take him to wipe down the carbine (even if he did that)?  Another ten seconds?

If so, then he still had plenty of time to get to the Second Floor Lunch Room on a non-huffing and puffing way before Truly arrived on the second floor landing (followed by Baker), according to the video I posted above.

--  MWT 

[Nicholas Turner]

Nick,

How long do you think it took Oswald to do the actual hiding of the carbine?  Ten seconds?

How much longer did it take him to wipe down the carbine (even if he did that)?  Another ten seconds?

If so, then he still had plenty of time to get to the Second Floor Lunch Room on a non-huffing and puffing way before Truly arrived on the second floor landing (followed by Baker), according to the video I posted above.

--  MWT 

I have no idea how long it takes to wipe down a carbine. Why would I?

Agreed, if so then based on that reenactment then it would be possible to make it to the second floor landing in 90 seconds without having to 'fly' as was suggested. But as i say, I don't know how long wiping down and hiding it would take. I'd prefer not to express an opinion based on no experience but to see evidence.

[Alan Ford]

That's the reenactment I was referring to. Completed in less than 50 seconds at a steady pace and not winded. Suggests that being seen on the second floor 90 seconds after the last shot would have been possible if this reenactment is accurate.

That rigged-from-start-to-finish 'reenactment' was exposed as bogus years ago. Wrong dimensions in the fake 'TSBD' building. The footage of the guy walking across the 'sixth floor' does not come from the cited attempt (they only had one camera in the building!)  Standard Perry/Mack disinformation. 

But it's all irrelevant anyway----------Mr Oswald never had any encounter in the second floor lunchroom with Officer Baker. That happened at the front entrance.