This is how the rifle was gotten into the building

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin,

If true, then as far as you're concerned, he's a great friend of America, right?

--  MWT 

Don't know... do you think America has many friends left by now?

[Thomas Graves]

Don't know... do you think America has many friends left by now?

It doesn't really matter, does it, as long as your buddy(?) the great KGB-Mafia humanitarian, Vladimir Putin (along with that ugly bastard in China), can take over the world?

"Sino-Soviet Split," my ass.

--  MWT 

[Martin Weidmann]

It doesn't really matter, does it, as long as your buddy(?) the great KGB-Mafia humanitarian, Vladimir Putin (along with that ugly bastard in China), can take over the world?

"Sino-Soviet Split," my ass.

--  MWT 

You're talking to the wrong guy, Putin and Xi are no friends of mine

[Thomas Graves]

You're talking to the wrong guy, Putin and Xi are no friends of mine

Oh, it's so hard to keep track of the permutations here!

1) "The evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK"  (LOL!)

2) "Trump is an unwitting or witting agent of Vladimir Putin" (correct)

 3) "LHO did it by him widdle self"  (probably correct, but maybe with some help from Igor Vaganov and or Policarpo or Saenz)

4)  "Trump is clearing out the swamp!"  (LOL!)

My bad.

--  MWT 

[Jack Trojan]

You should stop swigging bleach.

You've doubled down on your ignorance once again:
1) Head shot: Cavitation created the explosive effect. That's the point.

Horseshit.

2) Back/Neck-junction inshoot: FMJ ammo is designed to remain intact when passing through human flesh.

What about when it struck the T1 vertebrae?

Now let's see you lot squish your heads to the extent that the butt-end portion of CE399 was, and still call it pristine.

Pristine refers to loss of material, not a slight deformation. No bullet comes out of a barrel "Pristine", as you define it. BTW, did anyone bother to note how much material gets lost as the bullet travels thru the barrel? And where is a single re-enactment of a FMJ bullet striking 3 bones, causing 7 wounds then magically showing up slightly flattened and pristine (99% intact), with no DNA on it? That's the only study that could convince me.

Why do you keep clutching at straws and bending over backward to defend the WC? Oh right, because you sold your soul long ago to the LN hypothesis and you are seeing it thru come hell or high water. Good luck with that. Every coup needs rubes to pull it off. As long as there is not a 100% consensus that Oswald was a patsy, then the WC wins. They won because LNers jumped thru hoops to defend their Report for them. They relied on all CTs to be painted as tinfoil mad hatters and discredited their conspiracy theories by lumping them in with bigfoot sightings and UFO abductions. Today, the LNer approach is to clutch at straws to explain every single contradiction and anomaly re this case, because it's 1 strike and you're out for a LNer. If there is 1 chink in the armor then it is all over, Oswald was not a lone nut and the WC loses.

Maybe Oswald knew he was the designated patsy. Maybe he smuggled the rifle into the TSBD in pieces inside a paper bag. Maybe he took some shots from the SN and wiped off all his prints, ditched the rifle, bought a coke from a vending machine in the lunchroom within 90 secs. Maybe the MC wasn't leaky enough to deposit any nitrates on Oswald's face as he took the shots. Maybe Oswald was such an elite sharpshooter he could pull off a headshot using a crap rifle with a wonky scope and no practice. Maybe the magic bullet did zig-zag thru JFK and Connally and showed up on the wrong stretcher in near-pristine condition. Maybe the DPD were just incompetent and not nefarious when it came to handling the evidence and serving up Oswald to Ruby. But what part of those "maybe"s exclude Oswald from being a pasty? You are not really a LNer, you are a WC Defender, because Oswald was a patsy, not a lone nut.

[Thomas Graves]

Horseshit.

What about when it struck the T1 vertebrae?


Pristine refers to loss of material, not a slight deformation. No bullet comes out of a barrel "Pristine", as you define it. BTW, did anyone bother to note how much material gets lost as the bullet travels thru the barrel? And where is a single re-enactment of a FMJ bullet striking 3 bones, causing 7 wounds then magically showing up slightly flattened and pristine (99% intact), with no DNA on it? That's the only study that could convince me.

Why do you keep clutching at straws and bending over backward to defend the WC? Oh right, because you sold your soul long ago to the LN hypothesis and you are seeing it thru come hell or high water. Good luck with that. Every coup needs rubes to pull it off. As long as there is not a 100% consensus that Oswald was a patsy, then the WC wins. They won because LNers jumped thru hoops to defend their Report for them. They relied on all CTs to be painted as tinfoil mad hatters and discredited their conspiracy theories by lumping them in with bigfoot sightings and UFO abductions. Today, the LNer approach is to clutch at straws to explain every single contradiction and anomaly re this case, because it's 1 strike and you're out for a LNer. If there is 1 chink in the armor then it is all over, Oswald was not a lone nut and the WC loses.

Maybe Oswald knew he was the designated patsy. Maybe he smuggled the rifle into the TSBD in pieces inside a paper bag. Maybe he took some shots from the SN and wiped off all his prints, ditched the rifle, bought a coke from a vending machine in the lunchroom within 90 secs. Maybe the MC wasn't leaky enough to deposit any nitrates on Oswald's face as he took the shots. Maybe Oswald was such an elite sharpshooter he could pull off a headshot using a crap rifle with a wonky scope and no practice. Maybe the magic bullet did zig-zag thru JFK and Connally and showed up on the wrong stretcher in near-pristine condition. Maybe the DPD were just incompetent and not nefarious when it came to handling the evidence and serving up Oswald to Ruby. But what part of those "maybe"s exclude Oswald from being a pasty? You are not really a LNer, you are a WC Defender, because Oswald was a patsy, not a lone nut.

Jack,

Struck the first vertebra, or brushed the tip of it, kinda?

Where, for that matter, is a reenactment of a bullet's traveling, subcutaneously, completely around a man's skull without killing him? Would you care to volunteer?

Okay then, how about our defining  "pristine" to mean the condition of a bullet after it's lost "oodles and gobs" of mass inside the barrel of a "four lands and grooves" carbine whilst being shot about half-a-mile(?) up into the sky, and coming back down and landing in a nice thick fluffy bed of prime goose down?

Is CE-399  anything like that?

--  MWT 

[Bill Chapman]

No chance of either of you ever saying something clever

How would you know?

You need a functional brain and at least some level of eduction to make such a determination. You've got neither.

Point out where you just said something clever