No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD

[Joe Elliott]

Or how about another coincidence. The plotters planted CE-399 to frame Oswald. But they planted it on the wrong stretcher. They didn’t even plant it on a stretcher on the right floor. But they got lucky because someone brought the Connally stretcher downstairs and of all places, parked it next to the stretcher with CE-399. What a lucky coincidence. Now it would be easy to claim the person who brought down the stretcher got the two stretchers confused, which sounds plausible. But wouldn’t sound plausible if Connally’s stretcher was still in another part of the hospital.

Or how about this; the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was never at Parkland Hospital. Tomlinson found a bullet on an unrelated stretcher and allegedly gave it to O.P. Wright. I say allegedly, because there is also a story of Tomlinson giving the bullet directly to a Secret Service agent as witnessed by an OTIS repair man. Anyway, O.P. Wright is on record saying that the bullet he got from Tomlinson and gave to Johnson was pointed. When shown a photograph of CE399 he actually denied it looked anything like the bullet he had handled on 11/22/63.

Tomlinson is on record saying that he was shown a bullet once, for identification, but that was by FBI SAC Shanklin about a week after the murder, yet the FBI claimed that SA Odum had shown CE399 to Tomlinson and Wright in april 1964 and that both men couldn't identify it. Strangely enough, when Odum was asked about this he denied ever having shown any bullet to anybody at Parkland Hospital and/or ever having CE399 in his possession.

The first four persons in the chain of custody could not identify CE399 as the bullet they had handled on 11/22/63. Only SA Todd and SA Frazier indentified it from their markings on the bullet, but those two men didn't get the bullet until after it arrived at Washington.

It is completely possible that an unrelated bullet, found by Tomlinson, was substituted for a bullet fired by the MC rifle (which also was in Washington hours after the bullet arrived) to ensure a "match" between the bullet now in evidence and the rifle now in evidence.

Oh, and btw O.P. Wright's wife was a nurse who attended Connally on 11/22/63. When he heard a piece of metal fall to the ground, Mrs Wright picked it up and found it was a bullet. And Nurse Hill is on record saying that she saw a bullet lying next to Kennedy's head. That bullet mysteriously disappeared as apparently did the bullet that Mrs Wright handled.... It could of course all be coincidence, but then, you don't believe in coincidence, right?

But Tomlinson said he found a bullet right next to the Connally stretcher.

How do you explain the coincidence of Tomlinson parking the Connally stretcher right next to the stretcher with the planted bullet?

My explanation is that there was no coincidence. He just confused the two stretchers. Do you have an explanation that involves no coincidence?


O. P. Wright remembered a pointed bullet. But I recall he went home, studied some bullets that he owned, and which were pointed and later recalled that the bullet he saw was also pointed. Could his study of his bullets confuse his memory? Similar to a witness seeing someone in a line up and modifying their memory that that was the person they saw commit the crime?

[Martin Weidmann]

But Tomlinson said he found a bullet right next to the Connally stretcher.

How do you explain the coincidence of Tomlinson parking the Connally stretcher right next to the stretcher with the planted bullet?

My explanation is that there was no coincidence. He just confused the two stretchers. Do you have an explanation that involves no coincidence?

No he didn't find a bullet next to Connally's stretcher. According to the story, the bullet was lying on a stretcher and Tomlinson had no idea who that stretcher had been used for. He only knew it must have come down the elevator. There was no coincidence in parking the stretcher there either. All stretchers that came down the elevator were parked there.

O. P. Wright remembered a pointed bullet. But I recall he went home, studied some bullets that he owned, and which were pointed and later recalled that the bullet he saw was also pointed. Could his study of his bullets confuse his memory? Similar to a witness seeing someone in a line up and modifying their memory that that was the person they saw commit the crime?

Too convenient. O.P. Wright used to be a department chief at the DPD before he took a job at Parkland. He knew bullets and he was pretty clear to Josiah Thompson when he gave him a pointed bullet just like the one he had handled on 11/22/63. I think it was no coincidence that the WC took the testimony from Tomlinson before CE399 was entered into evidence, so they could not show him nor was it a coincidence that they did not call O.P. Wright to testify.

Even the WC had doubts about the veracity of CE399, which is why they asked the FBI to go back to all the people in the chain of custody and ask for an identification, which, according to SA Odum, never happened as far as Tomlinson and Wright were concerned.

Similar to a witness seeing someone in a line up and modifying their memory that that was the person they saw commit the crime?

So you agree that witness identification in a line up is not always reliable?

[Gerry Down]

So you agree that witness identification in a line up is not always reliable?

Roger Craig did not view Oswald in a line up but you accept his identification of Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

Roger Craig did not view Oswald in a line up but you accept his identification of Oswald.

When and where did I say that? Is it fun just making up stuff?

[Gerry Down]

When and where did I say that? Is it fun just making up stuff?

Sorry i thought you were a Roger Craig supporter.

[Ross Lidell]

JFK Assassination Forum members: You're off-topic.

This is about Randle > Mrs Roberts > Ruth Paine & Marina Oswald > Lee Oswald > Mr Truly > Lee Oswald.

No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD

[Martin Weidmann]

JFK Assassination Forum members: You're off-topic.

This is about Randle > Mrs Roberts > Ruth Paine & Marina Oswald > Lee Oswald > Mr Truly > Lee Oswald.

No coffee for Randle, no job for Oswald -- at the TSBD

What are you? The forum police?

All you've done so far in this thread is give us your flawed opinion, stuck by it and dismiss everything that didn't agree with it. That's what happens if you have an opinion about everything. It limits your ability to accept and/or understand other points of view. 

Your stubborn unrealistic stance isn't leaving much room for debate anyway and besides, we're still talking about coincidences....

First you tried to tell me how you thought I should respond to your BS and now you want to dictate what we can write in this thread. What are you? A bit of a control freak, perhaps?