The real 6th floor shooter - what chance of escape?

[Martin Weidmann]

This opening thread is moronic.

Are you sure you didn't mean "ironic"?

No that's not possible: You're not intelligent enough.

You're not intelligent enough.

Look who is talking   

[Martin Weidmann]

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

That need only exists in your imagination. We are talking about one man slipping into a near empty building because nearly everybody was outside watching the President. If the assassin ran into anybody he could easily abort.

How would the real 6th floor shooter know that the building would be "near empty"?

A paid assassin could not abort.

Know many paid assassins, do you?

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination[/u].

"I'll meet you at the luchroom on the second floor at 12.30"... That would be all it would take...

Did Lee Harvey Oswald wear a watch? Kind of a vague way to run a precision assassination plot.

There were no clocks at the TSBD?

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.

When the conspirators also control the cover up, there would be no problem. Witnesses that say they saw him could be persuaded that they were mistaken or they could simply be ignored, as was done with Carolyn Arnold, Dorothy Garner and others.

A lot of assumptions there. Which conspirators? What coverup?

Oh my God... Weidmann's on to something!!!

This entire thread is about assumptions.... Mainly yours!

And I am indeed on to something; your inability to have a normal conversation without misrepresentations, making up stuff, strawman tactics and an unwillingness to consider counter arguments.

[Ross Lidell]

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

The tiny flecks of metal left in Governor Connally's wrist were never measured. It's not possible to calculate the total weight of the bullet before it was fired; so you have a theory not proof.

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion. The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

Not a strawman: Holding you to a responsibility to provide a realistic alternative scenario to the the historical record which you do not believe. You don't appear to believe Oswald's Carcano was the assassination weapon. You can either admit that it was or posit some other gun. Something like: "There was another gun but I don't know what it was" will do.

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion.

Not true. No measurement, no absolute conclusion. You're just guessing.

The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

One almost whole bullet and two pieces of one bullet were matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. By whom? Frazier of the FBI and Nicol of the Illinois Bureau of Criminal Investigation.

[Ross Lidell]

You're not intelligent enough.

Look who is talking   

Limp riposte Marty.

[Ross Lidell]

Know many paid assassins, do you?

There were no clocks at the TSBD?

This entire thread is about assumptions.... Mainly yours!

And I am indeed on to something; your inability to have a normal conversation without misrepresentations, making up stuff, strawman tactics and an unwillingness to consider counter arguments.

Know many paid assassins, do you?

What do you mean by that immaterial statement?

There were no clocks at the TSBD?

Were they accurate? 

This entire thread is about assumptions.... Mainly yours!

Of course there are assumptions. If Lee Harvey Oswald was not the 6th floor assassin, some other shooter has to be. That's a logical assumption.

... an unwillingness to consider counter arguments.

What's your argument?

[Martin Weidmann]

So the real 6th floor assassin (you don't accept that it's Oswald) used a different rifle than Oswald's Carcano? What rifle was that?

Stop the strawman crap. I never said any of this. We are in hypothetical mode since the opening post had way too many assumptions for any other kind of discussion.

Not a strawman: Holding you to a responsibility to provide a realistic alternative scenario to the the historical record which you do not believe. You don't appear to believe Oswald's Carcano was the assassination weapon. You can either admit that it was or posit some other gun. Something like: "There was another gun but I don't know what it was" will do.

Please STFU about proof.... You only demand proof but never provide. I have no responsibility to which you can hold me to. I am not dancing to the crappy music you play on a daily basis. 

I never said that I believe the Carcano was not the assassination weapon. It could have been, but I don't know and the evidence for it is very weak indeed. I also do not know whether the Corcano found on the 6th floor belonged to Oswald. Again, I simply do not know and the evidence that it was is simply not persuasive enough. But I better stop now, because otherwise your little mind might explode....

The fragments recovered from Connally's arm at Parkland hospital by themselves were enough to reach the conclusion.

Not true. No measurement no absolute conclusion. You're just guessing.

Well guessing is something you know everything about, so I'll bow to your vast experience in that field.

The main point was that none of the three bullets that were allegedly fired from the 6th floor were ever matched to the MC rifle.

One almost whole bullet and two pieces of one bullet were matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons. By whom? Frazier of the FBI and Nicol of the Illinois Bureau of Criminal Investigation.

One almost whole bullet and two pieces of one bullet were matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.

Who put another dime in the freakin' machine? It's playing the same old crappy song again.

You simply will not listen or even try to understand. There is no evidence that CE399 was fired on 11/22/63 and there is no evidence that the bullet fragments given to Frazier, which they told him were removed from the limo prior to his forensic examination, were in fact bullet fragments from the limo.

In other words, you need to assume first that CE399 was indeed fired buy the MC rifle in 11/22/63 and that the bullet fragments did indeed come from the limo, before you can make any kind of claim. Now go and get a wet towel and try to keep cool when you try to process this information.... on the other hand, never mind. You will dismiss it outright anyway

[Martin Weidmann]

Know many paid assassins, do you?

What do you mean by that immaterial statement?

You made the idiotic claim that "A paid assassin could not abort.".... now either you watch too many movies or you know at least one paid assassin. Or, alternatively, you just made it up for the sake of argument. What is it?

By the way, it was a question, not a statement. You do know what a question mark means, don't you?

There were no clocks at the TSBD?

Were they accurate? 

Does it matter?

This entire thread is about assumptions.... Mainly yours!

Of course there are assumptions. If Lee Harvey Oswald was not the 6th floor assassin, some other shooter has to be. That's a logical assumption.

Why is that a "logical" assumption? Let me guess, because you assume that the shots that killed Kennedy were fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD, right?

So, your "logical" assumption is only "logical" if the assumption it is based on is also "logical".... and so on..... Aren't assumptions fun?

... an unwillingness to consider counter arguments.

What's your argument?

Thanks for confirming my point