Shells, rifle, SN... Who?

[John Iacoletti]

What do you mean by "detailed?" I say because you've incandescently proven that you know very little, if anything, about the underlying subject matter here. What you deride as a "Mauser owner's manual" is the underlying knowledge required to understand what would differentiate a Mauser from another rifle. You simply don't have that knowledge. Otherwise you wouldn't have made the comment about the Mauser "clip" having a window.

What I know is completely irrelevant.  Weitzman said he saw a Mauser with a 5 shot clip.  It's not my job to explain how he determined that, just as it's not your job to decide that he didn't really see what he claimed to see.

a 7.65 caliber Mauser bolt-action rifle,
All you need to know to figure out the caliber is to see the single stack magazine hanging down in front of the trigger guard and assume the rifle is a Mauser to expect it to be a 7.65

Bull.  You can't determine the caliber of a rifle by glancing at its trigger guard.

which loads from a five shot clip which is locked on the underside of the receiver forward of the trigger guard.
As I've said before, "locked on the underside of the receiver" either refers to and en block clip or to the magazine itself. An en block clip would eliminate any Mauser, but not the Carcano.

That also doesn't matter.  You don't know what Weitzman knew or didn't know about the design of the Mauser.  He's describing what he saw, not what he knows about how Mausers are built.

What's the point of mentioning a 5-shot clip that he never really saw?

As for the five shot part, we just went thought that, and you didn't come out of that too well. There's no simple way to directly determine the magazine capacity on those old bolt action rifles other than to load them until you can't while counting the rounds you put in.

Then take it up with Weitzman.  He's the one who said the rifle he examined had a 5-shot clip.

The universal shortcut is simply to know how many rounds a particular model rifle will hold beforehand and work backwards via syllogistic logic.

They didn't ask him how many rounds a Mauser holds.  They asked him to describe what he saw.

the rear portion of the bolt was visibly worn.
Would be true for either a Carcano or a Mauser

Show me the visible wear on the CE139 bolt.

The wooden portions of this rifle were a dark brown in color and of rough wood apparently having been used or damaged to a considerable extent.
Dark brown wood of rough and well-used appearance wouldn't be exactly unexpected on a surplus rifle, no matter the make or origin.

Show me the dark brown rough damaged wood on CE139.

The rifle was equipped with a four power 18 scope of apparent Japanese manufacture.
As I've already pointed out, this information appears conspicuously on CE139's scope in nice, white letters on a black background for easy reading. Unlike the metal-on-metal stamped and etched text on the rifle itself. Anyway, this is the scope rather than the rifle itself.

The fact remains that CE139 is stamped "Made in Italy" and "6.5".  You don't just get to decide what Weitzman could see easily and what he could not.

It was also equipped with a thick brown-black leather bandolier type sling
And I have yet to see how you would use the sling to tell what make a rifle is. Maybe you can elucidate us on that.

Does CE139 have a thick brown-black leather bandolier type sling?

In the end, there's nothing in Weitzman's "detailed" description that would prove that he saw a Mauser.

There's nothing in Weitzman's detailed description that would prove that he saw CE139.

[John Iacoletti]

So you think I shouldn't believe my eyes??......  I've seen Tom Alyea's film.......

Maybe because the Alyea film isn't the be all and end all of everything that happened on the 6th floor that day?

Weitzman is on record as saying he was mistaken ....

So is Brennan.  But you don't just take his word for it.

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe because the Alyea film isn't the be all and end all of everything that happened on the 6th floor that day?

So is Brennan.  But you don't just take his word for it.

Maybe because the Alyea film isn't the be all and end all of everything that happened on the 6th floor that day?

That's true...And I've never said that it is the be all and end all of everything that happened on the sixth floor that day......But it is solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered definitely was a Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.   And Alyea's film is supported by the photos that were taken as Day left the TSBD carrying a Mannlicher Carcano.

If your suggesting that a mauser was found there on the sixth floor, can you provide one scintilla of solid evidence to support that idea


So is Brennan.  But you don't just take his word for it.

HUH??    I have no idea what you're referring to.....   Brennan wasn't even in the TSBD....

[John Iacoletti]

That's true...And I've never said that it is the be all and end all of everything that happened on the sixth floor that day......But it is solid photographic evidence that the rifle that Boone and Weitzman discovered definitely was a Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.

I'm still waiting for you to point out Boone and Weitzman in the Alyea footage.

If your suggesting that a mauser was found there on the sixth floor, can you provide one scintilla of solid evidence to support that idea

Statements from 3 deputies who all said they saw a Mauser.  That's evidence.

So is Brennan.  But you don't just take his word for it.

HUH??    I have no idea what you're referring to.....   Brennan wasn't even in the TSBD....

You make a point of Weitzman retracting his original statement to discredit his original statement, but Brennan also retracted his original statement that he could not make an identification in the lineup.  Do you believe Brennan's retraction?

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm still waiting for you to point out Boone and Weitzman in the Alyea footage.

Statements from 3 deputies who all said they saw a Mauser.  That's evidence.


You make a point of Weitzman retracting his original statement to discredit his original statement, but Brennan also retracted his original statement that he could not make an identification in the lineup.  Do you believe Brennan's retraction?

I'm still waiting for you to point out Boone and Weitzman in the Alyea footage.

I believe they are near Roger Craig in the background behind Fritz as he is filmed looking at the Carcano as Day holds it.  ( why is this important??)

Statements from 3 deputies who all said they saw a Mauser.  That's evidence.

No, that's not evidence ....Particularly when they retracted their statements.

Brennan also retracted his original statement that he could not make an identification in the lineup.

This kind crap makes me angry..... Weitzman and Boone corrected their mistaken identification almost immediately , whereas Brennan changed his mind when he appeared before LBJ's Cover up committee....   

By the time that Brennan appeared before the WC he was ready to swear that he saw the Joker ( from Batman) if that's what Henry Wade and the DPD wanted him to say.

[John Iacoletti]

I believe they are near Roger Craig in the background behind Fritz as he is filmed looking at the Carcano as Day holds it.  ( why is this important??)

Because you claimed that they could be seen in the footage.  I want to know where.

Statements from 3 deputies who all said they saw a Mauser.  That's evidence.

No, that's not evidence ....Particularly when they retracted their statements.

Craig didn't.  And, yes, it's still evidence.  They said it.

This kind crap makes me angry..... Weitzman and Boone corrected their mistaken identification almost immediately , whereas Brennan changed his mind when he appeared before LBJ's Cover up committee....   

What does "almost immediately" mean?  Brennan "changed his mind" a few days later after a few friendly visits from the FBI.

[Walt Cakebread]

Because you claimed that they could be seen in the footage.  I want to know where.

Craig didn't.  And, yes, it's still evidence.  They said it.

What does "almost immediately" mean?  Brennan "changed his mind" a few days later after a few friendly visits from the FBI.

Ok John....Let's get this down in B&W.....  You believe that the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered was actually a 7.65 mauser.

Do I have that correct?