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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #650 on: March 26, 2020, 11:07:27 AM »
Only possible locations for Oswald's Carcano rifle.

-- The boarding house at 1026 North Beckley... not likely.

-- The Paine's garage at Irving... extremely likely.

-- In "the ether"" (A location so beloved by JFK Conspiracy contrarians).

The ether is what WC defenders prefer to inhale..... :D


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #651 on: March 26, 2020, 11:58:12 AM »
Only possible locations for Oswald's Carcano rifle.

-- The boarding house at 1026 North Beckley... not likely.

-- The Paine's garage at Irving... extremely likely.

-- In "the ether"" (A location so beloved by JFK Conspiracy contrarians).

Or none of the above....

North Beckley and Irving only come into play if Oswald did in fact have a rifle in his possession on 11/21/63. You can assume that he did, but nobody can prove it.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #652 on: March 26, 2020, 02:58:17 PM »
Only possible locations for Oswald's Carcano rifle.

"Oswald's Carcano rifle".  LOL.

But why are these the "only possible locations" for the C2766 rifle?  Just because you think Oswald brought it to the TSBD?

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #653 on: March 26, 2020, 09:38:42 PM »
Or none of the above....

North Beckley and Irving only come into play if Oswald did in fact have a rifle in his possession on 11/21/63. You can assume that he did, but nobody can prove it.

Unless you are going to nominate a location for Oswald's Carcano rifle: You're a contrarian.

When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.

-- Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol).

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.

-- Marina Oswald nearly fainted when the Police Officer held the blanket and it hung limp over his arm. No rifle in the blanket (afternoon of 22 November1963).

-- Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.

Not enough for ya [sic] Sherlock Weidmann? 

I assume you are expecting someone to verify where Oswald's Carcano rifle was regularly... perhaps ever day from late March 1963 to the evening of 21 November 1963? The date, location written down in a diary with a detailed description of the gun; serial number etc. This is unrealistic and would never be required in a criminal trial.

Nobody can prove it.... ha, ha!

If you're child, wife, brother, sister, father or mother was murdered and the police arrested some person who was the last to be seen with him or her: You'd be enraged if the cops didn't arrest the suspect.

Or would you say: "No, no, no Captain let the guy go. Unless you have photographic evidence and seven witnesses, that man is inoooooocent".

Well?

Oh, if you were asked to participate in a television documentary about the JFK assassination (on camera) would you speak the sort of nonsense you write here?


« Last Edit: March 26, 2020, 09:40:24 PM by Ross Lidell »

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #654 on: March 26, 2020, 10:04:21 PM »
Unless you are going to nominate a location for Oswald's Carcano rifle: You're a contrarian.

When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.

-- Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol).

--Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.

-- Marina Oswald nearly fainted when the Police Officer held the blanket and it hung limp over his arm. No rifle in the blanket (afternoon of 22 November1963).

-- Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.

Not enough for ya [sic] Sherlock Weidmann? 

I assume you are expecting someone to verify where Oswald's Carcano rifle was regularly... perhaps ever day from late March 1963 to the evening of 21 November 1963? The date, location written down in a diary with a detailed description of the gun; serial number etc. This is unrealistic and would never be required in a criminal trial.

Nobody can prove it.... ha, ha!

If you're child, wife, brother, sister, father or mother was murdered and the police arrested some person who was the last to be seen with him or her: You'd be enraged if the cops didn't arrest the suspect.

Or would you say: "No, no, no Captain let the guy go. Unless you have photographic evidence and seven witnesses, that man is inoooooocent".

Well?

Oh, if you were asked to participate in a television documentary about the JFK assassination (on camera) would you speak the sort of nonsense you write here?

Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.

Did Marina know for a fact that Lee had ammuntion for the rifle and did see actually ever see him fire the rifle?

Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol).

Marina only recalled taking ONE BY photo.....They tricked her into saying that she might have taken two photos..... But there are three BY photos,... so even if Marina did take both CE 133A and CE 133B....( and I believe she did take only CE 133A).   Who took 133c ???

Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.

Yes,   But was it the same rifle that she'd seen in Dallas?   IMO it was not.....

Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.

Marina never actually saw a rifle in the blanket....She saw something that she thought might have been the carcano, but she couldn't verify that it was the carcano.

Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.

Yes, and she was speaking in Russian, .....It's reported that she said ...." So this is the fateful rifle of Lee Oswald ?"    I doubt that anybody but Marina could know what she meant.

It is a fact that nobody can prove that the TSBD carcano was owned by Lee Oswald......

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #655 on: March 26, 2020, 10:06:48 PM »
Unless you are going to nominate a location for Oswald's Carcano rifle: You're a contrarian.

When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.

-- Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol).

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.

-- Marina Oswald nearly fainted when the Police Officer held the blanket and it hung limp over his arm. No rifle in the blanket (afternoon of 22 November1963).

-- Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.

Not enough for ya [sic] Sherlock Weidmann? 

I assume you are expecting someone to verify where Oswald's Carcano rifle was regularly... perhaps ever day from late March 1963 to the evening of 21 November 1963? The date, location written down in a diary with a detailed description of the gun; serial number etc. This is unrealistic and would never be required in a criminal trial.

Nobody can prove it.... ha, ha!

If you're child, wife, brother, sister, father or mother was murdered and the police arrested some person who was the last to be seen with him or her: You'd be enraged if the cops didn't arrest the suspect.

Or would you say: "No, no, no Captain let the guy go. Unless you have photographic evidence and seven witnesses, that man is inoooooocent".

Well?

Oh, if you were asked to participate in a television documentary about the JFK assassination (on camera) would you speak the sort of nonsense you write here?

Unless you are going to nominate a location for Oswald's Carcano rifle: You're a contrarian.

Because I don't agree with the crap you're trying to sell us? Works for me.... I'll gladly be contrarian, as to me it is only confirmation of the fact that I am asking you questions that you can not answer and confront you with factual information you don't want to deal with....  Thumb1:

When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers.

That would be circumstantial evidence at best and not physical evidence! Get your facts straight, Clouseau!

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.
-- Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol).


So what? That was in late March/early April and what she did not testify was that Oswald actually owned the rifle she photographed him with!

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.

Really, did she? And again, did she testify it was a Carcano rifle?

-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.

Actually, no she didn't. She said she had looked in the blanket once, in late September 1963, and she saw what she described as the wooden stock of a rifle. The WC lawyers subsequently got her to say it was a rifle.
 
-- Marina Oswald nearly fainted when the Police Officer held the blanket and it hung limp over his arm. No rifle in the blanket (afternoon of 22 November1963).

Insignificant BS... Even if true, it proves nothing.

-- Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.

And that's what you call evidence?

Not enough for ya [sic] Sherlock Weidmann?

No, not nearly enough or convincing, but it might fool a simpleton ...
 
I assume you are expecting someone to verify where Oswald's Carcano rifle was regularly... perhaps ever day from late March 1963 to the evening of 21 November 1963? The date, location written down in a diary with a detailed description of the gun; serial number etc. This is unrealistic and would never be required in a criminal trial.

You can assume all you want. It doesn't mean you are right. You don't have to show me any of that. Just show me one piece of evidence that supports the conclusion that there (still) was a rifle in the blanket on 11/21/63, that it was the Carcano rifle later found at the TSBD and that it belonged to Oswald. Can you do that, genius?

Nobody can prove it.... ha, ha!

Indeed... nobody can prove there was a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63 and that it belonged to Oswald and you haven't done so either....

To support your conjecture and speculations, you rely only on Marina's testimony, but a good cross examination by a defense lawyer would have destroyed her within minutes. Marina was in survival mode. She did not start to cooperate until after Oswald was dead and Hoover had promised her she could stay in the country. Her entire testimony is tainted and worthless.

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If you're child, wife, brother, sister, father or mother was murdered and the police arrested some person who was the last to be seen with him or her: You'd be enraged if the cops didn't arrest the suspect.

Or would you say: "No, no, no Captain let the guy go. Unless you have photographic evidence and seven witnesses, that man is inoooooocent".

Well?


Actually, my younger brother was murdered some years ago and I let the police do their job, which they did. 

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Oh, if you were asked to participate in a television documentary about the JFK assassination (on camera) would you speak the sort of nonsense you write here?

The mere fact that you consider it to be nonsense doesn't mean it is. It only means that you are not willing to consider contrary points of view.

And yes, I would ask the same critical questions which the WC and you and your ilk simply can not answer.

Your annoying habit of believing that you are right unless somebody else can prove you wrong (which will never happen because of your unwillingness to accept anything that does not compute with your belief) doesn't make you right. It makes you a fool.

Now, do you have any real evidence that the MC Carcano found in the TSBD belonged to Oswald and that he still owned it on 11/21/63? Well....?
« Last Edit: March 27, 2020, 11:08:19 AM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #656 on: March 27, 2020, 01:26:09 AM »

 When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers. 
-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle at Neely Street Dallas.
-- Marina Oswald testified that she took the backyard photos of Lee Oswald with a rifle (and pistol). 
-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle in New Orleans.
-- Marina Oswald testified that Lee Oswald had a rifle stored in a blanket in the Paine's garage.
-- Marina Oswald nearly fainted when the Police Officer held the blanket and it hung limp over his arm. No rifle in the blanket (afternoon of 22 November1963).
-- Marina Oswald spoke about "the fateful rifle" of Lee Oswald.
Not enough for ya [sic] Sherlock Weidmann? 
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When compiling physical evidence: Often a conclusion is made based on a series of previous events and/or statements by relatives, friends, acquaintances, neighbors or co-workers.
All that was actually "compiled" [above] were the statements of the wife..a Russian national..couldn't speak English all that well...was not aware of the legal options notably that a wife cannot be compelled to testify against her spouse [dead or otherwise]
Without Marina's statements [made under obvious duress]..there was no case against Oswald...None what-so-ever.
Or did you not read Gary Craig's post earlier....  https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2425.msg80559.html#msg80559
Is that enough for you?   

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #657 on: March 27, 2020, 05:31:56 AM »
The word “contrarian” gets thrown around as a pejorative a lot here, like disagreeing with hasty conclusions not well supported by evidence is somehow a bad thing.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #658 on: March 27, 2020, 09:32:05 AM »
Fabricated sob stories don’t suit you. You’re not even competent enough to be a lemming.

You're the one sobbing
I'm the one having fun

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #659 on: March 27, 2020, 09:47:57 AM »
Only possible locations for Oswald's Carcano rifle.

-- The boarding house at 1026 North Beckley... not likely.

-- The Paine's garage at Irving... extremely likely.

-- In "the ether"" (A location so beloved by JFK Conspiracy contrarians).

'so beloved by JFK Conspiracy contrarians'

That would be Oswald
« Last Edit: March 27, 2020, 09:50:26 AM by Bill Chapman »

 

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