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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #368 on: March 09, 2020, 07:07:55 PM »
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All the pedantic nitpicking in the world doesn't change the fact that a long bag was discovered next to the SN.  Oswald was seen that morning carrying a long bag.  His prints are on that bag which is next to some boxes that also had his prints and by the very window from which fired bullet casings from his rifle are found.  The police officers searching the floor - which is covered in boxes - are looking for a rifle or shooter.  Not necessarily a bag.  It is not necessary to reconstruct with absolute certainty who first "discovered" the bag whatever that means.  It was there.  It eventually came to the attention of someone while others may not have noticed it because of the extreme clutter on that floor.  It may have even been moved during the search itself before it dawned on someone that it could be linked to the crime. There is also often confusion in the record about which "bag" is being discussed - the long bag or lunch bag.  Witnesses use imprecise language in response to questions that are subject to subjective interpretation of their own imperfect recollection of times and events.  It may be impossible to reconstruct the "discovery" of the bag with absolute certainty but that itself does nothing to undermine the conclusion that it was there, has Oswald's prints on it, resembles the long bag he carried that morning, there is no accounting for a slightly shorter bag or any other similar long bag in the building along the lines Frazier estimated, Oswald denied carrying any long bag that day because he was lying, and is found not just at "Oswald's place of work" as sometimes dishonestly characterized but the exact crime scene within the building.  It has no apparent work-related purpose for being there and no one else with access to that floor ever comes forward to provide any explanation whatsoever for it to have been there.  It is a peculiar bag both due to its location, size, shape, and the fact that is homemade.  There are no pictures which depict any similar bags at use in the building for any work purpose.  It is clearly singular and related to the crime.  The notion that the DPD constructed it and then somehow confused a bag that they themselves made for a legitimate purpose to carry the rifle as evidence but then somehow forgot they did so and instead decided to lie about finding near the SN is absurd in my opinion.  The absence of a time machine to sort out exactly who first discovered it with absolute certainty is just an exercise in endless pedantic futility that changes nothing.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #369 on: March 09, 2020, 07:20:20 PM »
LHO was a cheapskate. He was collecting cigarette butts for Marina...

Or 'Mommy Dearest'

After all, she bathed the little prick until age 11.
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #370 on: March 09, 2020, 07:39:44 PM »
It seems just a few months were sufficient to dull memories of trained police doesn't it? Unfortunately we have an unsatisfactory evidence base to work with. Pity the WC staffers were unable to help with clarification. I understand your reluctance to look for a logical answers to the questions posed. I believe you appreciate my desire for them to be answered.

At least you stepped up to represent a normally vocal group. It seems the WC narrative has Oswald transporting a disassembled rifle in a paper bag with only one end sealed. He folded the bag an unknown number of times and left it next to a box he sat on to shoot the President. The crime lab discovered remnants of a chicken lunch and assumed it to be Oswald'sfor some time after the event. After assisting Day with the rifle discovery Studebaker returned to the SN. Day left the building with the rifle. Studebaker dusted the bottle on the sixth floor and not the lunch sack. He moved to the SN and about this time Johnson claimed the bag was unfolded. Eventually dusted for prints by Studebaker it was removed by Johnson and Montgomery before Day returned to the TSBD.

'the WC staffers'

IIRC, at least one staffer stated something to the effect that they were all trying like hell to find a conspiracy, adding something like that it would do wonders for their individual careers going forward.

Had they been successful, seems like they would also become somebodies for the next 10,000 years

 ;)
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #371 on: March 09, 2020, 07:53:12 PM »
Or 'Mommy Dearest'

After all, she bathed the little prick until age 11.
What a troll.
'the WC staffers'

At least one staffer stated something to the effect that they were trying like hell to find a conspiracy, adding that it would do wonders got their individual careers going forward.

Had they been successful, seems like they would also become somebodies for the next 10,000 years
 ;)
What a pile! Are you serious? Anyone and everyone that denounced the Warren Report findings were shamed, disgraced, humiliated and/or ruined professionally.
And often referred to as kooks ::)
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #372 on: March 09, 2020, 07:59:26 PM »
What a troll.What a pile! Are you serious? Anyone and everyone that denounced the Warren Report findings were shamed, disgraced, humiliated and/or ruined professionally.
And often referred to as kooks ::)

The WC was not commissioned to examine claims from Laughing Factories, Funny Farms, Looney Bins, nor from the far shores of the lunatic fringe.

Amen to that, and thanks for once again making my day.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #373 on: March 09, 2020, 08:15:05 PM »
The WC was not commissioned to examine claims from Laughing Factories, Funny Farms, Looney Bins, or the far shores of the lunatic fringe.

Amen to that and thanks for once again making my day.

The WC was not commissioned to examine claims from Laughing Factories, Funny Farms, Looney Bins,

You're angry because they ignored you when hey visited the funny farm where you were living....

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #374 on: March 09, 2020, 10:03:11 PM »
The WC was not commissioned to examine claims from Laughing Factories, Funny Farms, Looney Bins,

You're angry because they ignored you when hey visited the funny farm where you were living....
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #375 on: March 09, 2020, 10:26:39 PM »
I can't understand how the bag being open at one end somehow lends itself to the conclusion that Oswald did not carry the rifle in it.  When the bag was constructed at the TSBD, Oswald would have, by necessity, left one end unsealed in order to put the rifle in it later.  Maybe he discovers there is no tape to seal it in the Paine's garage after putting the rifle in it.  Or maybe he just decides to fold that end down and carry the bag upright.  Most people don't seal their lunch bag shut in fear of the contents spilling out.  It suffices to fold the open end down and then not hold it upside down.  Gravity takes care of the rest.  Maybe he doesn't want to be heard tearing the bag open just before he is getting ready to assassinate the president.  Lots of plausible reasons.  We can't know for sure, but it doesn't seem like a big deal in terms of whether Oswald carried the rifle in the bag.