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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2020, 09:25:45 PM »
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Just reiterating the same lazy contrarian nonsense over and over again?  Tiresome.  Everything is "conjecture" and "assumptions." 

Said he, just before he started reiterating the same conjecture and assumptions again.... and without any evidence to back it up.

The bag is only "strange" to you because you need it to be "strange" as that makes it more suspicious than it really is. What it is in fact is a bag made from materials used by the TSBD and found inside the TSBD without a shred of evidence for when it was made, who made it and that it ever left the TSBD.

And how would you know this? 

Prove me wrong. Show me the reports about the building being searched for the flimsy sack that Frazier said he saw.

How about this?  No one came forward to explain the bag because it belonged to Oswald and no one else who worked there had anything to do with it?

Sure, that's one of the possibilities... it's just not the only one. But isn't speculating to reach a predetermined conclusion fun, right? You may not understand this, but you've just proven my point about it being speculation rather than fact. Well done  Thumb1:

If it is not a strange or unusual bag to be there, then there should ample evidence that it is just an ordinary bag as you claim as supported with abundant similar examples from the building.

Moving the goalposts again? ... Where did I say the bag was not unusual or that it was ordinary? You do understand that it could be unusual or not ordinary without it being a "strange" bag, right?

The same old, tired defense attorney nonsense.  So the bag was not strange but also not ordinary?  You are going to dicker with whether it was "strange" vs "unusual"?  Wow.  Inspector Clouseau is on the case. Here is the definition of "strange":  unusual or surprising in a way that is unsettling or hard to understand." 

Let us apply that definition to this bag.  It is three feet long, made by someone, empty, found at the scene of the crime (not just somewhere at Oswald's place of employment), with Oswald's prints on it, right next to the SN boxes also with his prints on it, on the same floor as Oswald's rifle, and near bullet casings fired from his rifle.  It also is the only known such bag in the building as there are no similar bags depicted in any photos.  No other TSBD employee has their prints on that bag.  Just unlucky Lee.  It's just a mystery bag from some unknown source that Oswald had the misfortune to touch because he worked there (even though no other employee touched it)!  Double wow.  That is low brow defense attorney nonsense where someone knows a client is stone cold guilty and is trying to convince just one rube juror that up is down.  It doesn't work in the real world.  Check your history books.  It was and forever remains "Oswald's bag."

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2020, 09:25:45 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2020, 09:36:06 PM »
The same old, tired defense attorney nonsense.


In response to your same old, tired prosecuting attorney nonsense?

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Let us apply that definition to this bag.  It is three feet long, made by someone,

Brilliant, so far.

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empty, found at the scene of the crime

Stop pretending like you know where it was found.  You don't even know who found it or when.

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(not just somewhere at Oswald's place of employment), with Oswald's prints on it, right next to the SN boxes also with his prints on it, on the same floor as Oswald's rifle, and near bullet casings fired from his rifle.

Stop pretending like you know it was Oswald's rifle.

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  It also is the only known such bag in the building as there are no similar bags depicted in any photos.

Hilarious.  That bag isn't even detected in any photos.  At least not where you claim it was found.

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  No other TSBD employee has their prints on that bag.

Stop pretending like you know that either.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2020, 10:31:49 PM »
The same old, tired defense attorney nonsense.  So the bag was not strange but also not ordinary?  You are going to dicker with whether it was "strange" vs "unusual"?  Wow.  Inspector Clouseau is on the case. Here is the definition of "strange":  unusual or surprising in a way that is unsettling or hard to understand." 

Let us apply that definition to this bag.  It is three feet long, made by someone, empty, found at the scene of the crime (not just somewhere at Oswald's place of employment), with Oswald's prints on it, right next to the SN boxes also with his prints on it, on the same floor as Oswald's rifle, and near bullet casings fired from his rifle.  It also is the only known such bag in the building as there are no similar bags depicted in any photos.  No other TSBD employee has their prints on that bag.  Just unlucky Lee.  It's just a mystery bag from some unknown source that Oswald had the misfortune to touch because he worked there (even though no other employee touched it)!  Double wow.  That is low brow defense attorney nonsense where someone knows a client is stone cold guilty and is trying to convince just one rube juror that up is down.  It doesn't work in the real world.  Check your history books.  It was and forever remains "Oswald's bag."

You make a poor excuse of a prosecutor. You don't even know the basics of a prosecution, so let me remind you.

Instead of constantly whining about the defense not agreeing with you and calling them names for pointing out the massive holes in your story, you actually need to prove your case. You can not simply say to the jury; "never mind all the little things that don't add up, just ignore that I don't have answers to some crucial questions and sometimes just make up stuff as I go along and most of all disregard all the evidence that does not point to the defendant, instead just believe the story, filled with speculations, conjecture and assumptions, I just conjured up".

That is low brow defense attorney nonsense where someone knows a client is stone cold guilty and is trying to convince just one rube juror that up is down.  It doesn't work in the real world.

No it doesn't. A defense attorney that knows a client is guilty can not mislead the court by claiming he is innocent. The mere fact that you do not know this, tells us all we need to know about your courtroom "expertise". Perhaps you should watch a bit less television or movies! And btw, trying to convince just one juror is exactly what the job of a defense lawyer is...... Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Richie  :D

Check your history books.  It was and forever remains "Oswald's bag."

Huh? That's funny... my history book says that Oswald was the alleged killer but that his guilt was never established beyond a reasonable doubt. And there was nothing about a bag....  :-*
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2020, 10:31:49 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2020, 10:34:22 PM »
"Richard" went to the Bugliosi school of prosecution.  Try to ridicule your opposition and act like that somehow bolsters your own argument.  Throw in some righteous indignation for good measure.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2020, 11:23:49 PM »
NEWS FLASH!
OSWALD LIED ABOUT WHAT HE HAD FOR LUNCH BEFORE ACCIDENTALLY KILLING KENNEDY & A POOR DUMB COP

Reliable sources from 'The Bunion' (rhymes with 'The Onion') revealed that the little prick's 34.8" lunch bag contained remnants of what appears to be several little 'pig-in-a-blanket' sandwiches.

More details to follow one of these days.

« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 11:32:19 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2020, 11:37:45 PM »
NEWS FLASH!
OSWALD LIED ABOUT WHAT HE HAD FOR LUNCH BEFORE ACCIDENTALLY KILLING KENNEDY & A POOR DUMB COP

Reliable sources from 'The Bunion' (rhymes with 'The Onion') revealed that the little prick's 34.8" lunch bag contained remnants of what appears to be several little 'pig-in-a-blanket' sandwiches.

More details to follow one of these days.

More details to follow one of these days.

I fully understand. Making up stuff isn't easy.... take your time!  ;)

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2020, 11:50:43 PM »
Chapman can always be counted on for his always useful input.  And movie clips.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2020, 01:05:46 AM »
Congrats to Mr. Mytton for proof positive the bag was NOT were it was claimed to be laying on the floor in the reconstruction photo dotted outline

And for demonstrating ( if this photo of bag is not fake) how absurd it is that if such bag were there that it nevertheless was able to be unavailable for the final “this is the way it was, we swear, final reconstruction SN photo