Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #70 on: February 29, 2020, 06:50:22 PM »
The tape used to construct the bag was from the TSBD dispenser. The bag was made in the TSBD, the question is when and who by? The Oswald did it narrative would have us believe he made it, guessed the rifle length incorrectly, and therefore had to disassemble the rifle and reassemble. Presumably one end was sealed with tape but I have yet to see anything suggesting the other end was sealed. Obviously he would have sealed the other end with something. Parts might fall out during transport and when stored in the TSBD would be easy for someone to look inside and unsealed bag.

The bag looks more like a wrapper that was made to cover the intact rifle.

Not exactly sure why it is "obvious" that he would have sealed both ends.  He has to put the rifle in the bag and take it out.  So he has to leave one end open when he constructs the bag at the TSBD.  And then he just holds the bag upright and folds down that end.  Gravity does the rest.  Assassinating the president entails enormous risk.  On that scale, the risk of his bag coming open was pretty small. 

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #71 on: February 29, 2020, 07:00:14 PM »
The second issue are folding lines. Once Oswald took the rifle out of the bag, he did what? Folded it four-five times neatly? CE 142 has at least eight, more likely ten folding lines which suggest it was folded four times and stored. Somebody would say that these folding lines originate from the time Oswald created the sack but it is impossible. There is no chance he created the sack in TSBD, folded it, put in his pocket, took to the Ruth Peine garage, packed the rifle, handled it, took to the car, took again, carried to the TSBD, took the rifle out... And after all that, there is no way sack to have folds as we see on the photos.
What I think that happened was that while investigating and interrogating Oswald and witnesses, particularly BWF, DPD came to the question of rifle sack. BWF told that he saw Oswald was carrying a paper sack and he told about curtain rods so the officers were sent back to the TSBD to find any similar object to paper sack. There they found a folded paper bag and assumed that was the sack BWF was talking about.
CE 142 could be found anywhere inside TSBD and there is no photographic evidence to place it between the box and two pipes next to the window as it was stated by DPD officers.
Once again, due to the shape of the paper sack and the folding lines, I think it has nothing to do with Oswald and the rifle on 22/11/1963.

I don't see anything here that supports the conclusion that it is somehow "impossible" for the folds to have been created when Oswald smuggled it to Paine's house.  In addition, wasn't the bag found BEFORE the DPD heard the story about Oswald's bag from Frazier?  I don't recall the timeline on that but Frazier left the TSBD and wasn't interviewed about Oswald until later.  If so, that would have made the scenario that you suggest impossible (i.e. the DPD hears the bag story from Frazier then go searching for a bag).  There are pictures of the bag coming out of the building between 2 and 3PM.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #72 on: February 29, 2020, 07:35:25 PM »
I don't see anything here that supports the conclusion that it is somehow "impossible" for the folds to have been created when Oswald smuggled it to Paine's house. 
Who told you that happened? Where is the evidence?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #73 on: February 29, 2020, 08:33:19 PM »
If a two-foot-long bag, I would expect most people would just take it into the front seat for the trip.

The thing is, people tend to make assumptions that fit their existing biases. It’s human nature.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #74 on: February 29, 2020, 08:35:31 PM »
I don't see anything here that supports the conclusion that it is somehow "impossible" for the folds to have been created when Oswald smuggled it to Paine's house.  In addition, wasn't the bag found BEFORE the DPD heard the story about Oswald's bag from Frazier?  I don't recall the timeline on that but Frazier left the TSBD and wasn't interviewed about Oswald until later.  If so, that would have made the scenario that you suggest impossible (i.e. the DPD hears the bag story from Frazier then go searching for a bag).  There are pictures of the bag coming out of the building between 2 and 3PM.

Supposedly Linnie Mae Randle told the police about the bag when they got to the Paine’s house. But it’s conceivable that she talked to her brother before he went to the hospital to visit his estranged stepfather.

Offline Peter Goth

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #75 on: February 29, 2020, 09:36:03 PM »
I think before you start applying cartoon shadows and handing out lollipops,

You need to consider the date at which that picture was taken.
Was it even taken on the 22nd?

That picture is not very clear.
Can you really ascertain our bag from what looks like box flaps and packing paper?
And why has no one ever recorded that location before on this important piece of evidence?
 

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #76 on: February 29, 2020, 11:12:50 PM »
Supposedly Linnie Mae Randle told the police about the bag when they got to the Paine’s house. But it’s conceivable that she talked to her brother before he went to the hospital to visit his estranged stepfather.

Now we are getting somewhere. Consider that Frazier testified that LMR knew about Oswald coming to Irving to get curtain rods. He to.d her on Thursday evening. When she tells Adamcek about Oswald the next day there is no record of that fact. The curtain rods story only appears later by Frazier.

The timeline for Frazier's movements that day are important. He obviously went home before going to visit the abusive step father in hospital. I wonder what Buell and Linnie-May talked about before she ventured to the Paine's that day.

Day and Studebaker had the rifle at the first floor wrapping table before 2pm. Standard crime scene procedure to wrap evidence in paper.