Historian explains the mind of Conspiracy Nuts - CBS 1967

[Mitch Todd]

Page 196 doesn’t say anything remotely similar to this. This is on page 66.

But Kirk’s “tips the scales” testimony and the “moon crater” justification on page 106 (with only Kirk’s name on it) belies the claim the this was a conclusion of the entire panel. For other matters, such as opinions on what Zapruder frames indicated bullet strikes, the panel voted, and the report indicated what the vote counts were.

But in the end it doesn’t really matter, because there is no actual analysis provided that shows that the rifle in the CE 133* photos can be uniquely identified and how.

Paragraph 196, not page 196. Congressional stuff tends to be numbered by paragraph, and I find it more useful in hunting a particular word, phrase or sentence. I didn't feel like escaping the paragraph symbol and used an old typing class standby. Page, I think, is still abbreviated with a lower-case p, pp if its multiple pages.

That being said, you need to explain to the rest of the world as to what you would accept as proper analysis .

And, Steve Galbraith is still right. The photo panel did determine that CE139 was the rifle in the BY photos and the rifle removed from the TSBD.     I suspect that what you wrote wasn't quite what you'd intended to get across, but you're too proud to admit to dropping such a clunker.

[Edit] There were HSCA staffers who dissented to the views expressed in the reports of the various panels. The Committee allowed them to publish their objections as appendices to the panels' reports, and even to testify. Cyril Wecht and Robert Groden immediately come to mind here. If any other FPP member had an objection to McCamy and Kirk, then we should see it in the record.

[Mitch Todd]

Who says they didn’t have 134? It’s a Warren Commission exhibit. Who even made CE134 and where is the negative it was made from?

In all candor, Kirk had no friggin idea what Shaneyfelt looked at.

IIRC, Shaneyfeldt testified as to what he was using, and that was CE133A and B, but mainly CE133A. He never mentions CE134.

[John Iacoletti]

That being said, you need to explain to the rest of the world as to what you would accept as proper analysis .

Were the characteristics of this alleged gouge in the CE 133* photos measured in any way? If so, the analysis is missing from any of the HSCA documents.  Kirk's analysis is nothing but hand waving.  There is nothing that actually shows that they are "identical in every respect".

And, Steve Galbraith is still right. The photo panel did determine that CE139 was the rifle in the BY photos and the rifle removed from the TSBD.

No, Cecil Kirk claimed that CE139 was the rifle in the BY photos -- there was no "determination" done.  In contrast, the panel report actually showed measurements and analysis for their claim that the rifle shown in the police station photos matches CE 139.

[John Iacoletti]

IIRC, Shaneyfeldt testified as to what he was using, and that was CE133A and B, but mainly CE133A. He never mentions CE134.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[John Iacoletti]

You think all of your opinions are "obvious".  Now stop hijacking the thread.

[Jerry Freeman]

Commager was right: to the conspiracist believer nothing will dissuade them of their fixation.

That seems to work with any fixation. Yours included.
 

Iacoletti, You may have never said that you're trying to prove Oswald innocent, but it's obvious to everybody here that you are.

Tommy...You know that is not how it works. Technically, Oswald remains innocent of shooting people because he was never found guilty [beyond a reasonable doubt] That doubt is stated all over this forum.
 
 
 
 

[Thomas Graves]

You think all of your opinions are "obvious".  Now stop hijacking the thread.

Iacoletti,

This thread is about evidence, and how it is used properly, how it is used improperly, or is how it is improperly ignored (as you are all too often wont to do in your desperate attempt to cast Oswald in an innocent light) in JFK assassination "research" and argumentation.

--  MWT