The real Jack Ruby

[John Iacoletti]

Ruby got either very lucky or very unlucky depending on how you see it. The chances of him killing Oswald with that shot were tiny. If Jim Leavelle hadn't have pulled Oswald sideways slightly the bullet wouldn't have hit those organs and he could have easily survived. It was a total fluke that he died.

Nobody ever said he was a particular competent hit man. Just that he had access.

[Ted Shields]

Nobody ever said he was a particular competent hit man. Just that he had access.

So would've lots of people. Almost anyone could've got access to the police station with little effort that weekend.

Do people really believe that after all this effort - planting Oswald in New Orleans, in Dallas, faking photos, firing at Walker, altering forensics, altering photos or whatever way you think the conspiracy was set up - that they were going to leave the final and most important act of silencing Oswald to an incompetent hitman in some clumsy run and gun attempt?

48 hours after he was captured?

How did "they" know he hadn't sang already?

Why didn't they kill him "escaping" from the TSBD. Or better still, wait until he got to prison and kill him there with ease?

It makes no sense. On the one hand people believe we have this super competent team of co-conspirators who have had this laid out from as far back as '61, whos plan has gone flawlessly up to this point, yet they let a low level hood assassinate the assassin with a .38 shot to the guts?

The first and only hit of it kind. A 90% survival rate. Mobsters and black op crews don't shoot people in the stomach. Its a very silly theory.

[John Tonkovich]

You might take a look at the Olsen thread.

Ruby was at the DPD twice on Friday night. Armed.

First time about 6pm.

That's about 3, maybe 4 hours after the arrest.
Before - I think, correct me if I'm wrong - the press conference, arraignment, etc.

That's pretty fast for someone to decide they're going to kill someone, on a suicide mission, i.e. no chance of escape.

[John Iacoletti]

It makes no sense. On the one hand people believe we have this super competent team of co-conspirators who have had this laid out from as far back as '61, whos plan has gone flawlessly up to this point, yet they let a low level hood assassinate the assassin with a .38 shot to the guts?

I guess you’ll have to ask somebody who believes that we have this super competent team of co-conspirators who have had this laid out from as far back as '61, whose plan has gone flawlessly up to this point.

[Jack Trojan]

Because he was a delusional hothead. Remember, he shot Oswald in the stomach.

"They" take out the assassin with a bullet to the stomach, giving them a 90% chance of survival (up to 98% if you can get quickly to a hospital as is the case here) and guaranteeing Oswald would spill the beans after likely surviving the attempt on his life.

Heres a study of 300 patients with abdominal gunshot wounds.

"The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%; however, if only the 226 patients without vascular injuries are considered, the survival rate was 97.3%."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1493651/

Ruby got either very lucky or very unlucky depending on how you see it. The chances of him killing Oswald with that shot were tiny. If Jim Leavelle hadn't have pulled Oswald sideways slightly the bullet wouldn't have hit those organs and he could have easily survived. It was a total fluke that he died.

Not a mob hit.

Do you recall that Johnson phoned the hospital and told the physicians attending Oswald to get a confession out of him? Oswald only had to remain alive long enough so 1 of the planted physicians could claim he confessed. Unfortunately, he died before they could kill him, after his fake confession. That's why Ruby shot him in the gut, as per instructions. We can only speculate why Ruby was willing to go along with it but it certainly wasn't because he was a hot head who avenged JFK. Give me a break.

Ruby might also have been Plan B after the DPD failed to kill Oswald at the theater. But I doubt this because I think the DPD's job was to apprehend Oswald so an outsider could shoot him in the gut so he could live long enough that they could claim he confessed. Outright killing him was Ruby's mistake. Anything Oswald actually said before he died could be written off as a dying man's delusions.

Plus Ruby spells it out for you in the video I posted up thread. He had no hope of exoneration by confessing his actions were part of a conspiracy, so why did he say that? Because he was the sacrificial lamb as the unorthodox hitman. If he was a mobster hitman then the DPD would have some splainin' to do why he had unprecedented access to Oswald. Otherwise, Ruby could fly under the radar and the DPD could extort him to finish the job they started.

As Paul Harvey would say, that's the rest of the story.

[Thomas Graves]

I guess you’ll have to ask somebody who believes that we have this super competent team of co-conspirators who have had this laid out from as far back as '61, whose plan has gone flawlessly up to this point.

Iacoletti,

I thought it went all the way back to 1959, when evil, evil, evil James Angleton sent false-defector Oswald to Moscow.

LOL

--  MWT   

[Ted Shields]

You might take a look at the Olsen thread.

Ruby was at the DPD twice on Friday night. Armed.

First time about 6pm.

That's about 3, maybe 4 hours after the arrest.
Before - I think, correct me if I'm wrong - the press conference, arraignment, etc.

He was. Why didn't he shoot him then? In the head?

Easy peasy.