CE 2562

[John Iacoletti]

Before I start, C2766 can be traced from Crescent to Kleins to Neely street

LOL

[John Tonkovich]

Before I start, C2766 can be traced from Crescent to Kleins to Neely street to The Texas School Book Depository and yet you think the key to deception is an insignificant weight discrepancy? Hilarious!

Here is a copy of the delivery schedule for the Chicago run that had the Kleins delivery and we have 21 weighted objects and ten of those weights end in a zero and another 6 end in a five, does that suggest that every item was weighed to within a pound or did the various companies who sent the items just guess?





JohnM

Please explain this concept of the "guess".
Would there never be any verification?
Seems like there would be great potential for..cheating?

[John Tonkovich]

Or the rifles were 7 lbs x 100 + a 50 lb container. But my point is that if CE 2562 was actually weighed, then it would NOT be exactly 750 lbs. That is obviously an estimate, not an actual weight, for whatever reason.

I think you mean the container. (CE 2562 is an exhibit.)

What is this "reason", of "for whatever reason"?

I would just like to know what the rifles were shipped, the weight of that container, including packing materials, etc?

[Walt Cakebread]

Or the rifles were 7 lbs x 100 + a 50 lb container. But my point is that if CE 2562 was actually weighed, then it would NOT be exactly 750 lbs. That is obviously an estimate, not an actual weight, for whatever reason.

Yer right..... The 750 was not an actual weight it was calculated by multiplying the manufactures specified weight for one rifle.  100 rifles @ 7.5 pounds.  The weight of the container was not included....  The weight on the BOL is the tare weight.  If you don't know what tare weight is, go to a truck stop and have a cup of coffee and ask a trucker.    Or just look at the license information on the side of the truck.   

[John Tonkovich]

Yer right..... The 750 was not an actual weight it was calculated by multiplying the manufactures specified weight for one rifle.  100 rifles @ 7.5 pounds.  The weight of the container was not included....  The weight on the BOL is the tare weight.  If you don't know what tare weight is, go to a truck stop and have a cup of coffee and ask a trucker.    Or just look at the license information on the side of the truck.   

I am quite familiar with the concept of "tare".

The weight on the bill of lading is..the weight of the shipment.

[John Tonkovich]

Such absolutes would be great to have. In the absence of such, we are left with common sense and probabilities.

You have reasoned the rifles must be 36" and shipped in wood. Others have reasoned the rifles were 40" and shipped in cardboard.

"Common sense and probabilities"...?  So, no factual evidence, Yes?

I have not "reasoned" anything.

I am curious, how a cardboard box / crate court hold, at minimum, 550 lbs? (36" , 5.5lbs x 100) And how such a container would be moved? Certainly not by hand? On a large pallet? ( what's the old line , " 10lbs of sh#t in a 5lb sack")

Anecdotally - not factually - googling rifle containers for bulk shipments brings up .. a lot of wooden crates.
I will do more research.



Anecdota

[John Tonkovich]

Before I start, C2766 can be traced from Crescent to Kleins to Neely street to The Texas School Book Depository and yet you think the key to deception is an insignificant weight discrepancy? Hilarious!

I don't "think" . I just ask questions. I have no idea if there is "deception" involved. A lack of information? Definitely. Not sure why questions bring you such..mirth?

Here is a copy of the delivery schedule for the Chicago run that had the Kleins delivery and we have 21 weighted objects and ten of those weights end in a zero and another 6 end in a five, does that suggest that every item was weighed to within a pound or did the various companies who sent the items just guess?
Are you suggesting they guessed?


And as for how transport companies charge for delivering weighted items, they don't charge for every single gram/pound/kilogram/ton but charge for different weight categories.
The shipping invoice for Lifshutz -see CE2562- shows 750lbs multiplied by the rate.








These examples are not Lifschutz, 1962. Or 1963
JohnM