A Guilty Man

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2019, 03:08:16 PM »
A trained espionage agent would never reveal his true goal or motive, and blow his cover.   Lee was still playing the role he had been given.....He thought that he would be accused of shooting AT   AT  JFK..... And be allowed to escape to Cuba as a fugitive.   At the time of the mid-night "press conference" he didn't know that JFK had been killed. ....and he said as much.  " Mr Oswald did you kill the president?"....    “No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question.”    

NOTICE....  "NOBODY HAS SAID THAT TO ME YET"     IOW....  Nobody had told him that JFK had been killed and .... the first thing I heard about it was when the reporters in the hall asked me that same question....

You may argue and disagree but I believe that Lee nearly lost his composure and he nearly started crying when he said the word "hall".....

Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. Your hypothesis goes real well (not) with what he said and how he behaved when Walker was questioning him:

Mr. Walker. And he said, ‘No, that is not my real name.’ And I started talking to him and I asked him, I said, ‘Why did you kill the officer?’ And he just looked at me. And I said, ‘Did you kill the officer because you were scared of being arrested or something?’ And he said, ‘I am not scared of anything. Do I look like I am scared now?’ Mr. Belin. Did he look like he was scared? Mr. Walker. No; he didn’t look like he was scared. He was calm. Not a bit nervous.

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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2019, 04:02:25 PM »
 

Left Photo: Is that a hole in the elbow of Oswald's right sleeve?

Thanks for broaching that subject...I had the same question in mind and I also looked at Lee's right elbow when I saw the photo but I concluded that the photo was not clear enough to answer the question... "Is that a hole in the elbow of Oswald's right sleeve?"

But apparently you have Superman eyes.....


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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2019, 04:28:04 PM »
Well, I believe I might be seeing the upper end of the sewn shirt seam that the cuff button closes at the wrist. The seam end is away from the "hole". So either the officer's hand is exhibiting five fingers (the thumb is hidden) or there's an open area ("hole") beneath his four fingers.



There's no hole in the sleeve.....

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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2019, 09:11:58 PM »
 

Left Photo: Is that a hole in the elbow of Oswald's right sleeve?


Yes, it is. And the frayed edge of the torn fabric is showing just above the fingernail of the little finger of the hand on his right arm.




Also, a portion of the hole can be seen in this photo (red arrow pointing at it):




If you can find a better quality copy of this photo, it should help to verity the hole in the sleeve...

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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2019, 09:43:58 PM »
Well, I believe I might be seeing the upper end of the sewn shirt seam that the cuff button closes at the wrist. The seam end is away from the "hole". So either the officer's hand is exhibiting five fingers (the thumb is hidden) or there's an open area ("hole") beneath his four fingers.

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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2019, 01:22:34 AM »
This thread is a companion to the “An Innocent Man” thread that I started earlier today. It is related to the same crime that Richard Jewell was charged with. The perpetrator of the crime wrote this:

In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is to promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games—even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested.

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article that the above quote is from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

There are some comparisons that can be made between him and LHO. I will start with:

They both are considered to be militant fanatics (zealots) with political causes.

Feel free to add your own comparisons.

Some of the items in the article are just plain scary. For instance, his brother purposely cutting off his own hand in order to “make a statement.”

The same MO can be attributed to every single member of the False Defector Program at the time. They were singleton agents disavowed by their government and groomed to be a defector. This was the case for Thomas Arthur Vallee (see my sig photo) in Chicago only 20 days earlier. He was Plan A of the Big Event, Oswald was Plan B.

November 1, 1963: In Chicago, the Secret Service detains and questions two members of a four-man sniper team suspected of planning to assassinate President Kennedy during his visit to Chicago the following day. The other two snipers escape. Thomas Arthur Vallee, a mentally damaged ex-Marine in a building over Kennedy’s motorcade route, is monitored by the Chicago police.

November 2, 1963: South Vietnam President Diem is assassinated by an Army coup and White House press secretary Pierre Salinger announces President Kennedy’s trip to Chicago has been cancelled. While the two suspected snipers are questioned at Chicago Secret Service headquarters, potential assassin scapegoat Thomas Arthur Vallee is arrested. The other two alleged snipers remain at large in Chicago. Only Vallee is ever identified publicly.

November 22, 1963: Plan B succeeds.
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Re: A Guilty Man
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2019, 01:42:40 AM »
The same MO can be attributed to every single member of the False Defector Program at the time. They were singleton agents disavowed by their government and groomed to be a defector. This was the case for Thomas Arthur Vallee (see my sig photo) in Chicago only 20 days earlier. He was Plan A of the Big Event, Oswald was Plan B.

November 1, 1963: In Chicago, the Secret Service detains and questions two members of a four-man sniper team suspected of planning to assassinate President Kennedy during his visit to Chicago the following day. The other two snipers escape. Thomas Arthur Vallee, a mentally damaged ex-Marine in a building over Kennedy’s motorcade route, is monitored by the Chicago police.

November 2, 1963: South Vietnam President Diem is assassinated by an Army coup and White House press secretary Pierre Salinger announces President Kennedy’s trip to Chicago has been cancelled. While the two suspected snipers are questioned at Chicago Secret Service headquarters, potential assassin scapegoat Thomas Arthur Vallee is arrested. The other two alleged snipers remain at large in Chicago. Only Vallee is ever identified publicly.

November 22, 1963: Plan B succeeds.


The same MO???!

LHO and the Centennial Olympic Park bomber were lone nuts.