Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2019, 09:44:12 AM »
Charles, you're approach is black, or white. Facts indicate it is Why not marvel at the details instead of "nothing to see here, Jerry is mistaken, move along, readers...."


......Cousin Eleanor had a brother, cousin James Augustus Thomas, Jr.:....
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https://archive.is/o/esTuB/www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95330&relPageId=42



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Description of 1969 death of Priscilla's father: (Allen Dulles's cousin was last to see him alive...)


Aynesworth was assigned to "cover" the Garrison investigation and prosecution of Clay Shaw in 1967 by Osborne Elliott. Elliott's brother was married to Eleanor Lansing Thomas, Allen and Foster Dulles's cousin, who happened to be the maid of honor in Allen's daughter Clover's wedding.

This Dulles cousin, Eleanor Lansing Thomas Osborne, sister-in-law of Ayneswprth's boss, happened to have a brother, James A. Thomas, Jr., who Priscilla testified to HSCA, instigated, managed, or participated in a "concealed suicide," of Priscilla's father, Stuart Holmes Johnson, in 1969. Priscilla testified to HSCA that this event upset her to the degree she was using it as the primary excuse for the delay in delivering her book, (from 1969 to 1977) "Marina & Lee," to her extremely patient Harper's editor, Marion S. Wyeth. Wyeth happened to be in the wedding party of a close friend of DeMohrenschildt's CIA shadow, Tom Devine.
Wyeth happened to live with his parents just two doors down, on a dead end street, from DeMohrenschildt's wife's father, Philip Sharples. Wyeth's father, an architect, designed both the home of Sharples and of Tom Devine's "best friend in Rochester," Joseph F Dryer, Jr. (before Dryer purchased the house). Devine's best man at his 1973 Jupiter Island wedding was William B. Macomber, Jr., also of Rochester, who, along with his wife, Phyliss Bernau, were two of Foster Dulles's closest Dept. of State, aids. Macomber was also best man in the 1946 wedding of Bush's sister, Nancy.



Aynesworth, to my knowledge, reported none of the above relevant and interesting coincidences, despite being on the scene to "catch wind," of at least some of them. I came along, 40+ years later, equipped only with curiousity, an internet connection, and a keyboard.

You can't make this stuff up, at least I cannot. I wouldn't know where to even begin.

Well why don't you begin by ringing up Mssr. Aynesworth, Tom?  As you said, my mom's cousin Jerry O'Leary and he were 'everywhere' on that dark day.  Life is an open secret+

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2019, 09:10:23 PM »
Dale's post about criticism leads me to comment that this whole forum is a trove of criticism.
[If you believe in the official report...you are brainwashed..gullible]
[If you don't...then you must be a drooling kook]
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Spokespeople for the "other side" include Priscilla Johnson McMillan, author of Marina and Lee, and former newspaperman Hugh Aynesworth. It would be petty I suppose to mention that both of them had clandestine relationships with intelligence agencies in the past, CIA in McMillan's case [1] and FBI as well as CIA in Aynesworth's [2]. I do not mean to convey that this is sinister per se; simply that given the many documented failures of these agencies with respect to the JFK murder, it is not too much to expect an acknowledgment of these sources' potential biases. [3] Another of the talking heads, Edward Jay Epstein, has acknowledged that one of his books on the case was written in extensive consultation with James Angleton, former head of CIA CounterIntelligence and himself a "person of interest." [4] Perhaps this film is "art," not journalism, and thus exempt from such disclosures.
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Declassified documents show that Dallas reporter Hugh Aynesworth was in contact with the Dallas CIA office and had on at least one occasion "offered his services to us." The files are chock full of Aynesworth informing to the FBI, particularly in regard to the Garrison investigation. See for example an account of lengthy FBI meeting with Aynesworth on 26 Apr 1967 re: Garrison and 5 May 1967 Domestic Intelligence Division note. See also a CIA 27 Dec 1967 account of a phone call in which Aynesworth is said to have offered to secure documents "extracted" from Garrison's files (by William Gurvich). Also of note is a message Aynesworth sent to George Christian at LBJ's White House, in which Aynesworth wrote that "My interest in informing government officials of each step along the way is because of my intimate knowledge of what Jim Garrison is planning."
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Aynesworth repeats the "Lassie defense," whereby Ruby, a man who even the Warren Commission acknowledged "frequently resorted to violence," [10] wouldn't have left his dog in the car if he had been planning to shoot Oswald. Priscilla Johnson McMillan reminds us that Oswald the loner "didn't do anything with anybody" and repeats the story of his leaving his wedding ring in a teacup for Marina the morning of the assassination. Epstein adds that "not a shred has come out that would indicate what this conspiracy was. After forty years, none of the theories pan out." Norman Mailer summarizes that "the internal evidence (of conspiracy) just wasn't there."
"Kennedy's Ghost"
A review of Robert Stone's Oswald's Ghost by Rex Bradford , 1 Feb 2008
 https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Kennedys_Ghost.html
So it is reported that Hugh Aynesworth spent his life beating back conspiracy proponents and their conspiracy ideas.
Then---I find it troublesomely difficult to believe that after all that Hugh Aynesworth [being a dedicated correspondent] had encountered on the assassination weekend..that he had felt no particular inspiration of his own to go down with the other reporters and report on the transfer of Oswald to county jail. He didn't have to run down there like it was to the Texas Theater [which I still consider dubious]
I find it rather unlikely that it would after all be his wife that would prod him to go down there. I also think it rather unlikely that she entered the police basement also... and stood alongside when Oswald was brought down. If there only was corroboration or a photo or something but I have never seen any. 1963 was a men only time when it came to police work and police business and the DPD and vicinity of the inner sanctum was a no girls allowed clique else show me --evidence.

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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2019, 11:36:59 PM »
Dale's post about criticism leads me to comment that this whole forum is a trove of criticism.
[If you believe in the official report...you are brainwashed..gullible]
[If you don't...then you must be a drooling kook]"Kennedy's Ghost"
A review of Robert Stone's Oswald's Ghost by Rex Bradford , 1 Feb 2008
 https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Kennedys_Ghost.html
So it is reported that Hugh Aynesworth spent his life beating back conspiracy proponents and their conspiracy ideas.
Then---I find it troublesomely difficult to believe that after all that Hugh Aynesworth [being a dedicated correspondent] had encountered on the assassination weekend..that he had felt no particular inspiration of his own to go down with the other reporters and report on the transfer of Oswald to county jail. He didn't have to run down there like it was to the Texas Theater [which I still consider dubious]
I find it rather unlikely that it would after all be his wife that would prod him to go down there. I also think it rather unlikely that she entered the police basement also... and stood alongside when Oswald was brought down. If there only was corroboration or a photo or something but I have never seen any. 1963 was a men only time when it came to police work and police business and the DPD and vicinity of the inner sanctum was a no girls allowed clique else show me --evidence.

I find it rather unlikely that it would after all be his wife that would prod him to go down there. I also think it rather unlikely that she entered the police basement also... and stood alongside when Oswald was brought down.


Where are you getting that from?

I believe that I have already posted earlier in this thread what Hugh Aynesworth wrote in his book about it. And neither one is true!

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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2019, 03:18:31 AM »
The Oswald did it-- three shot yarn..........with newer colorful twists ::)


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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2019, 03:57:18 AM »
I find it rather unlikely that it would after all be his wife that would prod him to go down there. I also think it rather unlikely that she entered the police basement also... and stood alongside when Oswald was brought down.


Where are you getting that from?

I believe that I have already posted earlier in this thread what Hugh Aynesworth wrote in his book about it. And neither one is true!

Glad you asked....
1976 :

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https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-man-who-saw-too-much/
The Man Who Saw Too Much
Hugh Aynesworth can’t escape what he witnessed in 1963.

BY WILLIAM BROYLES
DATE MAR 1, 1976
ISSUE MARCH 1976

...converged on the Texas Theater, which was playing War is Hell; out front several Dallas police were preparing to enter. When they did, Aynesworth was with them. From the movie soundtrack came machine guns, grenades, the sounds of battle. As the police and Ayensworth gingerly went down the aisle, a thin man leaped up, pointed a pistol at the belly of Officer Nick McDonald and pulled the trigger. The gun clicked, failed to go off. After a brief struggle, the police held in their hands Lee Harvey Oswald, who shouted, “I protest this police brutality!”

Two days later Aynesworth’s wife suggested they go down to the police station to watch Oswald moved to the county jail. Aynesworth, who had been working night and day trying to piece together Oswald’s escape route, at first didn’t want to go. He was tired; there was no time for idle sight-seeing. His wife, however, prevailed, and both were in the basement when Jack Ruby lunged forward and fired that one shot into Oswald’s stomach.....

Aynesworth also, (reported under his by-line) put a little "special sauce" on William Whaley, transforming Whaley into a war hero, but could not have performed fact checking, or maybe Whaley's "Navy combat award" is classified? Whaley does not "add up". He got three years older, between his 1942 WWII military draft record and his death, and his son, William W. Whaley, Jr., claimed to be the son of Whaley, Sr.'s sister-in-law and her husband. Whaley family "lore" attributes the loss of Whaley, Jr. to "abduction," but the boy was recorded living with his aunt in the 1940 U.S. Census.

Between sketchy witness Whaley, and Mary Bledsoe having the same aunt as Russell Douglas Matthews, the Oswald "post TSBD" saga gets curiouser and curiouser!
"The aunt.": https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114133448/adelaide-s-germany



Mary Bledsoe's uncle...his son, Jewell, Jr.,  obit link, described in his  father's 1958 obit, was first cousin of both Mary Bledsoe and RD Matthews:


America Germany Webb, was widow of Joe Webb. Joe Webb was related to Clarice Webb Campbell of Ennis, TX, wife of O.V. Campbell of the TSBD.
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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2019, 04:49:06 AM »

Go get your eyes checked.

Your post that you made your claim in doesn't include any basis for your claim. If it is in an earlier post, then I missed it because I didn't look back there. Include something to support your claim in the same post as your claim and you might be able avoid such confusion.


FBI SA James Hosty... --Aynesworth = liar ............source cited
Aynesworth---I am not a liar---trust me [meaning = f**k off]
Whether or not Oswald was actually an informant for the FBI could not be revealed...so we will never know. We do know that Aynesworth supplied mis-information unless this post was read with your eyes closed. I realize that Mr Aynesworth must have really sugar talked you somewhere along the line.
Have him canonized if you wish.


You are now referencing an entirely different event than you did in the post that has your claim and that I responded to earlier. Here is another side of this incident from "Witness to History by Hugh Aynesworth:

One reporter who felt certain Oswald had worked for the government was Alonzo "Lonnie" Hudkins of the Houston Post. Lonnie called constantly, hoping I'd uncovered something to move the story along. In time, I grew tired of Lonnie's queries, especially since I doubted his sources were that good. One day as I was busily juggling deadline stories for Newsweek, where I was then a stringer, and the Times of London as well as a weekend piece for the News, Lonnie called once more and asked me, "You hear anything about this FBI link with Oswald?" Tired of him bugging me, I said to him "You got his payroll number, don't you?"

"Yeah, yeah," Lonnie said.

I reached over on my desk for a telegram and read part of a Telex number to him.

"Yeah, yeah, he said, "that's the same one I've got."

I knew that if Lonnie accepted the number as legitimate, he had nothing. He said he'd check his sources and get back to me.

Weeks passed, and I forgot about the call until January 1, 1964, when Hudkins published a front page article in the Post, alleging that Oswald may have been a federal operative. Naturally the story caused quite a stir. Members of the newly created Warren Commission summoned several top Texas law enforcement officials and advisers to Washingto to discuss the development, including Waggoner Carr, the state Attorney General, Dallas DA Henry Wade, and his assistant Bill Alexander; J. Edgar Hoover of course told the commission that the story was not true. The Texas folks denied any knowledge of where Hudkins got his story, and the story pretty much died - for a while.

Lonnie never disclosed his source for the bogus number, and I didn't admit to it for at least several years.

FBI Agent Joe Hosty was among those upset over the Hudkins story. In Assignment Oswald, he castigated me not only for the Jack Revill story that Jim Ewell and I published but also for being, along with Bill Alexander, the supposed source of Hudkins' fantasy.

When Hosty later called me, it was in part to apologize for that mistake. "Just wanted you to know that I visited with Hudkins later," he said, "and understand that it was his contention, not yours and Alexander's, about the alleged financial connection between the bureau and Oswald. I always admit my errors."




I know that you desperately want to believe Aynesworth is a liar. But it doesn't appear that way to me.

Aynesworth turned into the PR man for the official, "Oswald escape from the TSBD" story. Through his "reporting," Aynesworth propped up Whaley and RD Matthews' cousin, Mary Bledsoe's alleged bus driver, Cecil McWatters. McWatters worked for Dallas Transit, owned and  managed by brothers who had visited the Carousel Club and happened to be represented by Roy Cohn.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/H%20Disk/Hudkins%20Lonnie/Item%2039.pdf


Weinbergs, employer of Cecil McWatters :

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https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1990-11-07-1990311082-story.html
Betty Fine Baltimore resident
THE BALTIMORE SUN
Services for Betty Fine, who lived in Baltimore for much of her life, will be held at 3 p.m. tomorrow at Sol Levinson & Bros. funeral establishment, 6010 Reisterstown Road.

Mrs. Fine, who was 80, died early yesterday at the Johns Hopkins Hospital after heart surgery. She lived in the Imperial Condominium.

She was the sister of Harry Weinberg, who died Sunday in Hawaii and left nearly $1 billion to a foundation for the poor. She was the wife of Melvin L. Fine, a lawyer who served as chairman of the Workmen's Compensation Commission and had been a state senator. He died in 1969.

The former Betty Weinberg was born in Galicia, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and was brought to Baltimore by her father in 1912. They lived in Southwest Baltimore.

She is survived by three sons, Stanley S. Fine and Howard Fine, both of Baltimore, and Robert B. Fine of Salisbury; three brothers, William, David and Nathan Weinberg, all of Pikesville; and seven grandchildren.
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....installed he was accompanied by DAVE, NATE and SIDNEY. WEINBERG, owners of the Dallas Transit System, and they went to the Carousel Club. ... BUREAU OF INVESTIOAY 'Y. HARMON SCHEPPS, Presiden -., Schepps Dairy, Inc .,
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1557.pdf


Interestingly, Roy Cohn's most famous client, aside from POTUS Trump, was the son of a couple buried in the same small Jewish congregation cemetery in Gloversville, NY. Also in that cemetery of less than 500 graves, are the parents of George Senator, Ruby's roommate who testified that he had worked in the family lunch counter in Gloversville, located within shouting distance of Schine Chain Theaters H.Q. That's right, Senator could not have been closer to the family of Roy Cohn's client, G. David Scine, unless he had been an employee of Schine Chain. G. David Schine just happened to be Gen . Mgr. of the Schine owned, Ambassador Hotel in L.A. in 1968, making Schine the employer of Cesar Eugene Thane.

LNs "know what they know," they've persuaded me of that.

https://www.nytimes.com/1961/05/18/archives/fifth-ave-coach-scores-roy-cohn-tactics-in-dissidents-suit.html




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WITNESS SAYS COHN AIDED 5TH AVE. COACH - The New ...
https://www.nytimes.com/1971/10/13/archives/witness-says-cohn-aided-5th-ave-coach.html
Oct 13, 1971 - The first defense witness at Roy M. Cohn's trial yesterday on conspiracy and other charges depicted him as a benefactor of the Fifth Avenue ...
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If John Gotti Was The 'Teflon Don', Then Roy Cohn Was The 'Teflon Rogue'
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jameszirin/2014/07/08/if-john-gotti-was-the-teflon-don-then-roy-cohn-was-the-teflon-rogue/#6aca9bb73680
Jul 8, 2014 - If John Gotti was the “Teflon Don,” Roy Cohn was the “Teflon Rogue. ... harbored some sort of political grudge against him, and wanted to settle old scores. ... the group brought when the City seized Fifth Avenue Coach Lines.
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Re: Hugh Aynesworth...Solver of the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2019, 05:18:30 AM »
From the Aynesworth bio...
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Aynesworth reported that activity converged upon the Texas School Book Depository, and that he did not enter the building possibly for fear of running into a gunman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Aynesworth
Now if you watch the video posted above starting @ 15:25 ...Aynesworth reflects how he turned into a swat officer armed with a pencil barging into a suspected fugitive holdup...apparently shirking all this fear that he previously had.
He can't remember where he got it...but Mr Aynesworth obtained the address where Oswald lived 22:10
27:25 - He relates that he ran down to city hall for Oswald's transfer apparently on his own initiative ...No mention of his wife.
So the story morphed from... she was in the basement with him [The Man Who Saw Too Much] to...she didn't go down to the basement ...to just maybe she simply didn't go downtown after all.
28:15...Calls Jack Ruby a "self promoter" and mentions how Ruby was always saying "Let me tell you what I saw" :)