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Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2019, 03:41:52 PM »
Last thought today, Mr. Ford, referencing the bottom photo in your response (Reply 70, above), Could either of the two gentlemen in that photograph on the far left (positions 2 & 3 viewing left to right potentially be delivery drivers)?

I'll try to follow up on this by enhancing the image w/zoom, but Em is giving me that look, so off here for now to complete some odds & ends today.


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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2019, 04:50:29 PM »
*Where that makes sense in that particular filming sequence, note his right hand in this sequence ---->
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His breast pocket is fully exposed yet void of the sewing handiwork of Mr. DuVall's loving wife. There is no accompanying company logo patch or his name stitched onto Prayer Man's shirt.

What color was the logo patch?

Just to be clear here: I don't believe PrayerManInWiegman is necessarily the same person as PrayerManInDarnell. We have IMO good grounds in fact for believing PrayerManInWiegman to be Mr Bill Shelley!  Thumb1:

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*There is a major contrast in difference between the colour white, even off-white, with the actual shirt colour worn by the wrongly accused (the only person & position not shared in CE 1381 (for good reason given what and who that specific position would have revealed). Brb out for a few with Fido, will respond to remainder of your post when we return from his nature romp)

We don't know what color PrayerManInDarnell's shirt is. And we don't know for sure the exact tone of Mr DuVall's white work shirt (nor whether he was even wearing it that day)!

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2019, 04:53:46 PM »
In respect to your decision to not ruling Mr. DuVall out just yet that's  your prerogative sir.  Please be mindful though that I have a photo of Mr. DuVall at his daughter's wedding where he is taller than the groom & the groom:s father (both taller than Prayer Man).

We don't know for sure how tall Prayer Man is---------------much depends on where exactly and how exactly he is standing!  Thumb1:
 
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In respect to your last thought/question there...where I do understand some people will actually immerse themselves into major events, No, I don't believe  Mr. DuVall is one of them. I believe after unloading at the docks in the rear of the TSBD, he ventured upstairs to purchase a soft-drink to quench his thirst, and made a decision to call his supervisor for permission to eat his lunch and await the P. Parade. No harm, no foul a reasonable thing to do.

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But that means--------------if he's not PrayerManInDarnell----------------then he has to be somewhere in that doorway!

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Moving along now, Mr. Ford, to date, Has anyone managed to reasonably explain away that rather telling shadow running down Mr. Lovelady:s right side?

No!  :D

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2019, 04:55:59 PM »
Last thought today, Mr. Ford, referencing the bottom photo in your response (Reply 70, above), Could either of the two gentlemen in that photograph on the far left (positions 2 & 3 viewing left to right potentially be delivery drivers)?

Sure--------------and that's the kind of off-white I'm talking about potentially for Mr DuVall.

Funnily enough, there was a time when those two fellows were confidently identified by some folks as Mr Bill Shelley and Mr Roy Truly!

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2019, 01:33:59 AM »
What color was the logo patch?

The logo patch is white in colour w/kelly-green letters.

Just to be clear here: I don't believe PrayerManInWiegman is necessarily the same person as PrayerManInDarnell. We have IMO good grounds in fact for believing PrayerManInWiegman to be Mr Bill Shelley!  Thumb1:

On the contrary, Mr. Ford, Prayer Man maintains the same position throughout several different filming sequences (Wiegman, Cook and Darnell). Note his bare arms are exposed in each of those sequences. Lest we forget, Mr. Shelley is dressed that afternoon in business attire w/a dark coloured tie.

There's a scene that afternoon where the trio of Shelley, Bonnie Ray Williams and Danny Garcia Arce climbed into a DPD cruiser  Do you recall how Shelley was dressed?

Let's take a look
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There's a stark difference in the bare-armed Prayer Man in his non-tucked shirt and Shelley's full business dress attire.



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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2019, 02:43:09 AM »
Lest we forget, Mr. Shelley is dressed that afternoon in business attire w/a dark coloured tie.

There's a scene that afternoon where the trio of Shelley, Bonnie Ray Williams and Danny Garcia Arce climbed into a DPD cruiser  Do you recall how Shelley was dressed?
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Let's take a look
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There's a stark difference in the bare-armed Prayer Man in his non-tucked shirt and Shelley's full business dress attire.


And a stark difference between Mr Shelley sans jacket and Mr Shelley in full business dress attire!



I believe the white object in PrayerManInWiegman's right hand may be one of those disposable white coffee cups-------------he's knocking the last of the coffee back:



Mr Shelley's 11/22/63 affidavit states clearly that he ran out to the edge of the "park", where he ran into Ms Gloria Calvery. I believe we may even be seeing his discarded empty cup in Darnell, right beside said edge of the "park":



PrayerManInWiegman is not in the same position as PrayerManInDarnell by the way: the latter is at a higher elevation!

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Re: A Candidate For Prayer Person?
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2019, 04:05:13 AM »
And a stark difference between Mr Shelley sans jacket and Mr Shelley in full business dress attire!



There is another possibility here, and it flows from something Mr Buell Frazier told the late Mr Gary Mack back in 2013:

"When I (G.M.) asked if Shelley usually wore a coat and tie to work Buell said no, he "dressed daily in slacks and sport shirts".

Easy to write this off as faulty memory, but Mr Frazier does seem pretty categorical here. Worth also mentioning that Mr Frazier's first thought seems to have been that Prayer Man was Mr Shelley.

Hmmm.....  What if Mr Shelley 'dressed down' during a normal working day----------------and recall: he spent significant time up on the dusty sixth floor with the floor-laying crew the morning of 11/22/63-----------------but kept a suit & tie in his office for more formal business? Might he have spruced himself up before going down to City Hall?

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