56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #98 on: December 10, 2019, 12:25:31 AM »
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/autopsy-descriptive-sheet-0 
If that is true...according to the autopsy notes above....the bullet should have gone downward into the center of the chest.

According to the notations on that Face Sheet, the bullet entered 14 cm below the tip of the right mastoid process.  Correct?  The downward angle of trajectory would have had to be a hell of a lot greater than 17.5 degrees in order for the bullet to enter the center of the chest. Jerry Organ has a superb graphic explaining the path through Kennedy. Have you ever seen it?

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #99 on: December 10, 2019, 03:28:16 AM »
 
This graphic by unknown appears to show the missile channel would
have passed by the spine at the T1 level. But it's obvious the skull
overlay is too small, which draws upward the cervical vertebrae.

When are you going to accept that you can't measure a 2D image this way? Your POV is never a perfect profile and all measurements are distorted. This is not how photogrammetry is done. Do the damn 2 laser challenge if you actually care about the truth and you want to advance your argument. Otherwise, your graphics are worse than misleading.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2019, 05:43:22 AM »
You can sit around and let these clowns [who weren't there] tell you what happened if you want--- or you can hear what really happened from the doctors who attended President Kennedy at Parkland. 


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2019, 04:57:26 PM »
I see Jones confirming the tracheotomy cut had been large to allow exploration and that the head wound was on the upper top right.

McClellan was standing over Kennedy and could see the gaping wound was at the back of Kennedy's skull? Not possible. Jenkins is keeping Kennedy's head face-up.

McClellan was standing over Kennedy and could see the gaping wound was at the back of Kennedy's skull? Not possible.

Says the guy who wasn't there and who could not possibly know what McClellan saw.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #102 on: December 10, 2019, 05:54:50 PM »
I see Jones confirming the tracheotomy cut had been large to allow exploration and that the head wound was on the upper top right.

McClellan was standing over Kennedy and could see the gaping wound was at the back of Kennedy's skull? Not possible. Jenkins is keeping Kennedy's head face-up.

So you are saying that Doctor Mc Clelland is a liar......    Dr Mc Clelland said that he saw a huge hole in the lower right rear of JFK's head ..... His statement is verified by 18 witnesses who are shown in photos  on pages 86. 87. and 88 of Groden's,  TKOAP. (Incidentally one of those photos is of Doctor Ronald Jones, and in the photo Dr Jones is seen with his right hand with the fingers splayed depicting the large wound LOW on the rear of JFK's head  )   In the Video that was made 50 years later in 2013, Dr Jones contradicts his earlier photo and indicates that the wound on the rear of JFK's head was HIGH on the rear of JFK's head.   

Dr Mc Clelland comes across as much more credible than Dr Jones..... 

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #103 on: December 10, 2019, 07:27:21 PM »
All the measurements apply to the mid-line and so are on the same plane. Practically no distortion.

Why can't one do photogrammetry and allow for perspective?

No, there is no POV from a 2D image that you can measure without ortho-recitfying it. You must "flatten" out the image to counteract the distortion created when you project a 3D object onto a 2D image. This is the only way to measure objects on a 2D image, which is what photogrammetry is all about; restoring the 3rd dimension from a 2D image. Since this is likely beyond your purview, your best bet is to create a digital 3D model of JFK, which you can manipulate graphically into the correct position to make the MB work, or not.  But you are relying on the CAD's physics engine to do all the work for you and in the end, who is going to buy it?

It's so much easier to skip the CGI and use 3D surrogates instead, which anyone can do even if you have no photo-analysis credentials. That is the beauty of a 3D re-enactment using lasers. It's cheap and deadly accurate and anyone can do it to convince themselves that the MB was either feasible or BS:


Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: 56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.
« Reply #104 on: December 10, 2019, 09:24:13 PM »
Show us one of those "flatten" out 2D images.

You, nor I have the info needed to ortho-rectify 2D images you find on the internet. That is my point.

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No reason you can't place a properly-scaled 3D model on an unaltered 2D photo and match the photo's field-of-view.

Yes there is, which is why you can't assume anything you know nothing about. And what does "properly scaled" mean?


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You have a graphic example of that?

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In the above image, the President's head is approximately in profile and its plane is similar to the film plane. We can add measurements at the head's midline that will be on the same plane as the head seen in the photo and the film plane. All three planes coincide. OK, I'll concede 2% "distortion (but that's a lot less distortion than your laser test).

Any 2D image is not suitable for this. You can't "concede" a % of distortion, you have to measure and rectify it. And there is zero distortion on my 3D laser test, because it is already in 3D.

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"Manipulate graphically". What are you talking about? The 3D model exists as scaled (usually 1:1) and in its own file. It should come very close to matching the same subject and its position unique to the photo. Often-times, it will match close-to-perfect, depends on facet-count and so forth.

I thought you understood the concept of manipulating a digital 3D model. It's how video games work. A 3D model is rendered in 2D using hidden lines and projection algorithms. You hamstring yourself by converting everything from 3D to 2D and then expect us to believe you got it right.

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Supposedly not having your photos from your own test allows everyone to "buy it". LOL.

For that, you fail since you have no interest in the truth. Carry on LNer.