56 years later and still the WC apologists deny the conspiracy.

[Bill Chapman]

Bill,

Please take it easy on John.

After all, he's been so busy in his garden that all he can see now are blobs.

--  MWT 

Don't use my posts to attack any other posters on a subject that I'm not interested in.

[Michael Walton]

   nobody  Walt believes that the alleged single bullet hit JFK at the time of Croft?

 Mr Iacoletti .....   I'm not sure how precise you are being when you say the single bullet hit JFK at the instant that Croft snapped the shutter.....But I believe that Croft snapped the shutter a split second after the bullet passed through JFK's throat .....However my name is not Nobody.....

Walt, you're way off base and incorrect with this. The Croft photo was NOT shot a split second after the bullet passed through. That's way too early in the shooting sequence. That photo was taken before JFK had a chance to be yelled at by the women down further where he looked over and smiled and waved to him. He then went behind the sign in Z and then a split second after re-appearing, the shooting sequence started.

People tend to throw around sparks flying and shots being fired earlier in the sequence to try to explain the murder. Remember the oak tree which was right there around Croft. No murder planner would have their shooters firing that early.

[Michael Walton]

So after all of the blather here with photos of skinny guys in underwear and photos of the murder taken much earlier but somehow magically being synced up with the Z film. And of faulty methodologies and proper ingredients (or better ingredients if you eat Papa John - LOL), I ask here again:

Here's the FBI reenactment photo down on the ground. The G Men got the wound positioning correct based on the autopsy:



And then of course they went ahead and filmed this reenactment from the so-called [throw down] sniper's nest:



You can tell the cast of characters in the first photo are the same as the second during the filmed reenactment. You can also see the sticker exactly where it's supposed to be. One of the Oswald Did It believers here agrees with this.

Now there's going to be more blathering here. The seat heights weren't the same in the limo...it's a Cadillac vs. the Lincoln limo. My hunch is that the G Men didn't care about this because they figured the main thrust here was to see where the bullet from the 6th floor was going to go from start to finish. After all, they did get the wound placement right based on the stickers. Further, the JBC stand-in is slightly inboard from the JFK one which is also right.

And yet - look at that second photo. How did it exit from Kennedy's throat? It's impossible logically and plausibly.

And as the text says in the image, the wound terminated, meaning it was not a through and through exit [based on the autopsy].

So...commence the debate [or excuses], please.

[John Iacoletti]

The Croft photo was taken 3.33 sec before Z223. It's the best-quality semi-profile image we have of Kennedy and Connally prior-to-and-including Z223-226. Since there is no obvious change in posture between the two points, it's reasonable to use the Croft photo to determine the President's posture.

A lot can happen in 3.33 seconds. There’s no obvious reason to think that the posture and positioning would be identical either.

It's pretty close but it's unclear if they've adjusted for the jacket bunch. The Commission was aware of the bunch at some stage because it's in the Bible Report.

The “jacket bunch” is just a lame excuse to handwave away a too-low entrance wound.

[John Iacoletti]

Willis 05 and Betzner--sometimes used to show no bunch--lack the resolution to show something as subtle as a jacket collar line;

That’s a convenient excuse to cherry-pick Croft.

The bunch is more-readily seen in the Towner and Croft photos.

We’ll have to disagree about Towner.

[John Mytton]

A lot can happen in 3.33 seconds.

From Love Field through to Croft 120,000+ seconds later there is absolutely no evidence that Kennedy's jacket wasn't bunched but as a last desperate grasp of conspiracy you unrealistically rely on "A lot can happen in 3.33 seconds". Lame, very lame.





Here's the Zapruder film from Croft through to after JFK emerges from behind the sign and all JFK can be seen doing is lifting his right arm and waving.



JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

From Love Field through to Croft 120,000+ seconds later there is absolutely no evidence that Kennedy's jacket wasn't bunched but as a last desperate grasp of conspiracy you unrealistically rely on "A lot can happen in 3.33 seconds". Lame, very lame.

You know what’s a lame argument? The idea that “there’s no evidence the jacket wasn’t bunched” is somehow an argument for it actually being bunched at the time he was shot.