Domingo Benavides

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes I have read Roberts' affidavit and if you want to take that at face value, you are more than welcome to do so....

I have serious doubts about what parts of Roberts' story are true or not.

Feel free to ignore that she had poor eyesight and was blind in one eye, feel free to ignore that her employer said she made up things and wasn't always truthful, feel free to ignore that she was paying more attention to getting the TV to work, which means she had her back turned to the living room and feel free to ignore that it took less than 5 seconds to walk the distance between Oswald's room and the front door, thus narrowing the time span she had to make her observation, but I will require a bit more than "she said so in her affidavit".

I have serious doubts about what parts of Roberts' story are true or not.

I agree that Mrs Roberts' story may not be entirely accurate..... ( I have doubts about a police car honking ) but on a point that is so elementary  as her observation that she saw Lee leaving and he was donning a dark colored jacket, I can't imagine any reason to doubt that....   It's not as if she was making that up..... 

Why do you doubt that Mrs Roberts was simply being candid.....   

[Walt Cakebread]

I've always wondered...who else was present and saw Oswald come in and leave the rooming house?  Was Ms Roberts all alone?
Why have a Benavides topic anyway? Everything about him was already done to exhaustion months ago   

I've always wondered...who else was present and saw Oswald come in and leave the rooming house?  Was Ms Roberts all alone?

Yes, Mrs Roberts was alone in the living room when Lee Oswald arrived at the rooming house.... She had received a phone call  informing her that JFK had been shot, just a couple of minutes prior to  Lee's arrival. 

And as for Benavides....  Even though That subject has been discussed over and over there are still some folks who can't read Benavides description of the killer's hair cut andthen look at a photo of Lee Oswald and SEE that Benavides description DOES NOT come close to matching Lee Oswald's hair cut.    Perhaps it's hopeless....and  there will always be those who  are so blind that they will not see......though there is nothing wrong with their vision.

[Martin Weidmann]

I have serious doubts about what parts of Roberts' story are true or not.

I agree that Mrs Roberts' story may not be entirely accurate..... ( I have doubts about a police car honking ) but on a point that is so elementary  as her observation that she saw Lee leaving and he was donning a dark colored jacket, I can't imagine any reason to doubt that....   It's not as if she was making that up..... 

Why do you doubt that Mrs Roberts was simply being candid.....

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

When, as in Roberts' case, her employer says she was known to make up things and when other parts of her story, like the police car tale, are at least questionable, you have a witness who lacks sufficient credibility to take her words at face value. Does that mean that she wasn't telling to truth about the jacket? No, it doesn't, but without some sort of corroboration, we will never really know and, because of that alone, I simply can not rely on anything she says.

But there is more. Roberts, an elderly half blind woman, was trying to get the television to work, to watch the 1pm news, and thus has her back turned to the rest of the room. As she was doing that, why would she even pay much attention to Oswald, who only needed 5 seconds or less to cross the living room, behind Roberts' back, to get to the front door. At best, Roberts would not have seen Oswald for more than two seconds before he walked out the door. Just how likely is it that she made a perfect observation of what Oswald was wearing?

[Jerry Freeman]

When, as in Roberts' case, her employer says she was known to make up things...

Why believe that? Because they said so? The Johnsons lied about quite a few things themselves.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

When, as in Roberts' case, her employer says she was known to make up things and when other parts of her story, like the police car tale, are at least questionable, you have a witness who lacks sufficient credibility to take her words at face value. Does that mean that she wasn't telling to truth about the jacket? No, it doesn't, but without some sort of corroboration, we will never really know and, because of that alone, I simply can not rely on anything she says.

But there is more. Roberts, an elderly half blind woman, was trying to get the television to work, to watch the 1pm news, and thus has her back turned to the rest of the room. As she was doing that, why would she even pay much attention to Oswald, who only needed 5 seconds or less to cross the living room, behind Roberts' back, to get to the front door. At best, Roberts would not have seen Oswald for more than two seconds before he walked out the door. Just how likely is it that she made a perfect observation of what Oswald was wearing?

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

So you think that lee Oswald didn't arrive at the rooming house at 1:00 pm.....   And she didn't even notice Lee as he arrived....In fact he may not have been there at all.... You think she just made it all up....Is that right?

[Martin Weidmann]

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

So you think that lee Oswald didn't arrive at the rooming house at 1:00 pm.....   And she didn't even notice Lee as he arrived....In fact he may not have been there at all.... You think she just made it all up....Is that right?

It doesn't matter much what I think. It's what has evidentiary value and what doesn't.

So you think that lee Oswald didn't arrive at the rooming house at 1:00 pm.....

Where did I say that?

And she didn't even notice Lee as he arrived....

She was in the living room. When the front door opens and somebody walks in, she's of course going to notice that.

In fact he may not have been there at all....

Your words, not mine...

You think she just made it all up....Is that right?

No, that's not right.. You may want to reduce the discussion to an oversimplified yes or no issue, but in reality it's more complicated than that.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

When, as in Roberts' case, her employer says she was known to make up things and when other parts of her story, like the police car tale, are at least questionable, you have a witness who lacks sufficient credibility to take her words at face value. Does that mean that she wasn't telling to truth about the jacket? No, it doesn't, but without some sort of corroboration, we will never really know and, because of that alone, I simply can not rely on anything she says.

But there is more. Roberts, an elderly half blind woman, was trying to get the television to work, to watch the 1pm news, and thus has her back turned to the rest of the room. As she was doing that, why would she even pay much attention to Oswald, who only needed 5 seconds or less to cross the living room, behind Roberts' back, to get to the front door. At best, Roberts would not have seen Oswald for more than two seconds before he walked out the door. Just how likely is it that she made a perfect observation of what Oswald was wearing?

Walt, a witness is either credible or isn't.

I don't believe that......  A witness may not be 100% reliable but they certainly are reliable on the basics......  And Mrs Robertscertainly knew that she had seen Lee Oswald enter the rooming house at 1:00PM  and she saw him leave again a few minutes later, while donning a dark colored jacket.