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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Sniper nest shadows
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2019, 02:19:59 PM »
The earliest untouched photo shows the shells in Oswald's Sniper's Nest and the rifle rest boxes original positions.
Which demonstrates Patrick's point. The ejected shells would have flown far to the right of the window [were you to understand anything about rifles] Instead, a shell was obviously planted right below the middle of the the sill where it could be easily found and the others in close proximity.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2019, 07:34:02 PM »
Thanks Charles.
The red arrow on the left is the shadow from the window frame on the pipe.
The green arrow can be seen in both images and is 2 bolts.
The purple arrow on the left shows the bottom of window's shadow on the pipe.





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Thanks Charles.
The red arrow on the left is the shadow from the window frame on the pipe.
The green arrow can be seen in both images and is 2 bolts.
The purple arrow on the left shows the bottom of window's shadow on the pipe.





JohnM

Okay, here is what I have been able to produce so far. I have used some measurements that Jerry Organ provided. They were actual measurements from Stephen Fagin at the sixth floor museum.

Sniper Nest measurements from Stephen Fagin.

  • Circumference of pipe = 7”
  • Width of floorboard = 3.25”
  • Corner to edge of brick at window = 33”

Corner --> Southeast interior corner.
Brick at window --> east edge of window's masonry opening.
 

As you will see, due to the limitations of my free 3D program, I have improvised some things (including using an extended floor lamp post for the pipe). And I have made certain of the boxes invisible in order to see the pipe, etc.


The first image is the shadows at 1:30 PM on 11/22/1963 as viewed from the north at a similar angle to the actual photograph that shows what appears to be the bag on top of the boxes:





The second image is the same view at 2:00 PM on 11/22/1963:





The third image is the same view at 2:30 PM on 11/22/1963:





The fourth image is the same view at 3:30 PM on 11/22/1963:




One item that I have noticed is how the patches of sunlight move across and up the inside of the east wall between the first window and the northeast corner. If the bright sliver of a patch on the inside of that wall near the first window in the actual photograph below is a patch of sunlight, then I suggest that the photograph was taken between between 1:30 and 2:00. This is based on the height of the top of that patch in relation to the height of the middle of that window.


Online John Mytton

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Re: Sniper nest shadows
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2019, 09:19:27 PM »

Okay, here is what I have been able to produce so far. I have used some measurements that Jerry Organ provided. They were actual measurements from Stephen Fagin at the sixth floor museum.

As you will see, due to the limitations of my free 3D program, I have improvised some things (including using an extended floor lamp post for the pipe). And I have made certain of the boxes invisible in order to see the pipe, etc.


The first image is the shadows at 1:30 PM on 11/22/1963 as viewed from the north at a similar angle to the actual photograph that shows what appears to be the bag on top of the boxes:





The second image is the same view at 2:00 PM on 11/22/1963:





The third image is the same view at 2:30 PM on 11/22/1963:





The fourth image is the same view at 3:30 PM on 11/22/1963:




One item that I have noticed is how the patches of sunlight move across and up the inside of the east wall between the first window and the northeast corner. If the bright sliver of a patch on the inside of that wall near the first window in the actual photograph below is a patch of sunlight, then I suggest that the photograph was taken between between 1:30 and 2:00. This is based on the height of the top of that patch in relation to the height of the middle of that window.



Charles, nice pick-up on the bright sliver. The shadow on the pipe appears to correspond to about your 2PM graphic, which is pretty closely corroborated by the bright slivers position.



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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Sniper nest shadows
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2019, 09:23:24 PM »
Charles, nice pick-up on the bright sliver. The shadow on the pipe appears to correspond to about your 2PM graphic, which is pretty closely corroborated by the bright slivers position.



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Thanks John, yes you are seeing the same thing as I. Nice graphic that points out these things!

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Re: Sniper nest shadows
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2019, 09:36:19 PM »
Thanks John, yes you are seeing the same thing as I. Nice graphic that points out these things!



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Re: Sniper nest shadows
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 12:21:30 AM »
Thanks you to you both for assisting gentlemen. Your efforts are much appreciated.

It would seem that CE142 is in a position close to the right hand side of the SN some time between 2 and 3pm. In position to accept the 30" wooden strip from the closed frame that was originally (erroneously) assumed to be from where the assassin fired.  Day mentioned that the realization of this error occurred about 3.30pm in his WC testimony.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2019, 03:50:16 AM »
Thanks you to you both for assisting gentlemen. Your efforts are much appreciated.

It would seem that CE142 is in a position close to the right hand side of the SN some time between 2 and 3pm. In position to accept the 30" wooden strip from the closed frame that was originally (erroneously) assumed to be from where the assassin fired.  Day mentioned that the realization of this error occurred about 3.30pm in his WC testimony.

I love it when a plan comes together, here's a time-lapse of Charles's SN shadows.



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It would seem that CE142 is in a position close to the right hand side of the SN some time between 2 and 3pm. In position to accept the 30" wooden strip from the closed frame that was originally (erroneously) assumed to be from where the assassin fired.  Day mentioned that the realization of this error occurred about 3.30pm in his WC testimony.

It's odd that anyone would think the shots came from the right hand window because the rifle rest boxes were setup for the left window and the right window was closed?



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