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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2019, 07:17:44 PM »
OK.The man who shot JD Tippit was Oswald.Much is made of the timing.Oswald couldn't get there on time etc. It's about a mile at the most from Oswald's rooming house to the crime scene. So if Oswald starts between 1.00 and 1.05 say and going at a brisk pace of 5mph he gets to the crime scene at between 1.12-1.17.

But who says he walked.He could've just as easily ran most of the way.In that case he would be moving at an average of 8MPH,In that case he could get to the crime scene between 1.08 - 1.13 or even earlier. It's just supposition to say he walked,It's also supposition to say he ran. If he did run then he is hardly going to tell Fritz that, as that would make it appear he was in flight.

So all this he didn't have time, is only supposition. So it was entirely possible for Oswald to have arrived within the time frame to kill JD. And there were numerous witnesses identified him as the cop killer.

So you're good at arithmetic...  That's GREATTT!!...Because perhaps you'll be able to figger out the time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:05 or possible 1:06....

Lee Oswald was seen standing in front of 1026 N. Beckley at 1:04..( according to his landlady Mrs Roberts) and Mrs Markham saw a young man ( the man who shot JD Tippit) walking east on Tenth at about 1:05  ( Markham said she saw Tippit shot to death at 1:06)

How much time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:06??

Offline Alan Hardaker

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2019, 08:17:44 PM »
So you're good at arithmetic...  That's GREATTT!!...Because perhaps you'll be able to figger out the time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:05 or possible 1:06....

Lee Oswald was seen standing in front of 1026 N. Beckley at 1:04..( according to his landlady Mrs Roberts) and Mrs Markham saw a young man ( the man who shot JD Tippit) walking east on Tenth at about 1:05  ( Markham said she saw Tippit shot to death at 1:06)

How much time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:06??

You may well be right.On the other hand there are so many times being bandied about and with so many witnesses sketchy on times, that it's difficult to be sure. I'm simply making the point that if the killing happened on or after 1.08 it's conceivable that a fit able bodied person could've got from 1026 N.Beckley to be at the crime scene as early as 1.08. Depending obviously on his transport mode.Running,walking.And his time of departure from the rooming house.

I think the case for Oswald would need another witness corroboration of Mrs Markham timings. The poor lady was hysterical after the shooting and made quite a few mistakes.




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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2019, 08:47:11 PM »
You may well be right.On the other hand there are so many times being bandied about and with so many witnesses sketchy on times, that it's difficult to be sure. I'm simply making the point that if the killing happened on or after 1.08 it's conceivable that a fit able bodied person could've got from 1026 N.Beckley to be at the crime scene as early as 1.08. Depending obviously on his transport mode.Running,walking.And his time of departure from the rooming house.

I think the case for Oswald would need another witness corroboration of Mrs Markham timings. The poor lady was hysterical after the shooting and made quite a few mistakes.

I think the case for Oswald would need another witness corroboration of Mrs Markham timings

I assume that you mean the case for Lee's innocence would need another witness.... Well it just so happens that your wish for corroboration of Helen Markham's sworn statement that Tippit was shot at 1:06 was verified by a man named TF Bowley.    Mr Bowley arrived at the murder scene at 1:10 ( according to his sworn affidavit)  And saw officer Tippit lying on the street near the left front wheel of his squad car.  Obviously Tippit had been shot a few minutes before Bowley arrived at 1:10....

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2019, 10:30:32 PM »
So all this he didn't have time, is only supposition. So it was entirely possible for Oswald to have arrived within the time frame to kill JD.

It’s also entirely possible that it wasn’t Oswald.

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And there were numerous witnesses identified him as the cop killer.

No there weren’t.

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2019, 10:53:13 PM »
There’s also Margie Higgins who placed the shooting at 1:06. And Tippit’s death certificate that said he was DOA at the hospital at 1:15.

Offline Alan Hardaker

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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2019, 11:12:14 PM »
So you're good at arithmetic...  That's GREATTT!!...Because perhaps you'll be able to figger out the time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:05 or possible 1:06....

Lee Oswald was seen standing in front of 1026 N. Beckley at 1:04..( according to his landlady Mrs Roberts) and Mrs Markham saw a young man ( the man who shot JD Tippit) walking east on Tenth at about 1:05  ( Markham said she saw Tippit shot to death at 1:06)

How much time elapsed between 1:04 and 1:06??

Looking at Mrs.Markhams testimony, sworn testimony. She states that she was walking South towards Jefferson.When asked about the time she said "It was a little after 1.." and " I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1". Looks like, at this point she had not arrived at the bus stop area so that testimony is not very clear on timings. And she doesn't actually put a precise time on the shooting. She said "yes,this man shot the Policeman" There does not appear to be any reference to the actual time of the killing. 
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Re: Tippit Shooting, 1:15
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2019, 11:24:36 PM »
I think the case for Oswald would need another witness corroboration of Mrs Markham timings

I assume that you mean the case for Lee's innocence would need another witness.... Well it just so happens that your wish for corroboration of Helen Markham's sworn statement that Tippit was shot at 1:06 was verified by a man named TF Bowley.    Mr Bowley arrived at the murder scene at 1:10 ( according to his sworn affidavit)  And saw officer Tippit lying on the street near the left front wheel of his squad car.  Obviously Tippit had been shot a few minutes before Bowley arrived at 1:10....

But that doesn't corroborate Mrs.Markham. It simple says TF Bowley, according to his watch, arrived at the crime scene at 1.10. He also stated that another person at the scene said "lets catch him" This could indicate the gunman had only left the scene shortly before TF Bowley arrives. So it's actually very difficult to put a precise time on the actual killing.

Which could put in doubt any claim that a gunman would not have time to be at the crime scene as the time of the actual murder is not clear.