False Witness

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Presumably from alligator and snake country.....a Moot point?

Clinton almost impeached for one and now Trump for Whistle blow job.

Not to be too pedantic but Clinton was impeached. The House of Representatives impeaches - that is, brings up charges that are deemed worthy of removal; that is indicts the person - and the Senate then has a trial over those charges. Andrew Johnson was the other president to be impeached. But like Clinton he was acquitted by the Senate (by one vote).

Most people think the same will happen here since the Republicans control the Senate and it will be difficult to find the 20 or votes needed to convict (conviction requires 2/3s vote).

The country doesn't need this but democracy is never going to be pretty (Brexit anyone?). As the saying goes, fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy flight.

[Colin Crow]

Not to be too pedantic but Clinton was impeached. The House of Representatives impeaches - that is, brings up charges that are deemed worthy of removal; that is indicts the person - and the Senate then has a trial over those charges. Andrew Johnson was the other president to be impeached. But like Clinton he was acquitted by the Senate (by one vote).

Most people think the same will happen hear since the Republicans control the Senate and it will be difficult to find 20 votes to convict (conviction requires 2/3s vote).

Thanks for correcting me Steve, I should have researched and not relied on memory......not sure what is the scarier outcome in this instance.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Thanks for correcting me Steve, I should have researched and not relied on memory......not sure what is the scarier outcome in this instance.

No problem, many Americans - even reporters - make the same mistake all of the time. It's an odd word to use - impeachment - when it's really just indictment.

The scariest for me is that he's convicted and then runs for the Presidency again and is elected. The Senate can disqualify an officer (President, Judge) from holding future office; so we may see them try to do this (swell).

The Founders were brilliant men (yes, they compromised over the evil of slavery but what was the alternative at that time?) but would be perplexed at how to handle constitutionally someone like Trump. He's clearly unsuited for office, is a disgrace, a narcissitic thug, but I'm not quite persuaded that his acts warrant removal. I'd like him out of office but I want to do so in a fair manner. His supporters are wrong; but they're Americans too who have a voice in this.

[Tom Scully]

Thanks for correcting me Steve, I should have researched and not relied on memory......not sure what is the scarier outcome in this instance.

Colin, an opportunity has presented itself here to have a facts supported discussion centering on Garrison, his investigation, and the money that supported it.
I hope you will participate in your evenhanded, scholarly way I appreciate is unusual around here.

1938... Willard E Robertson was a 30 year old store clerk selling suits adjacent to the Yale Univ. campus in Connecticut.

1944... Willard E Robertson, after brief stints managing a sandwich shop and then a tavern, both adjacent to the Yale Univ. campus in Connecticut,
Robertson was listed in the regional directory employed as a "woodworker" at a defense plant owned by Allen Dulles Princeton, 1914,  classmate, Jack Churchward, located in an adjacent town.

Hypothetically, o'course!.....(Just talking "out of school")

I have always thought. "Follow the Money" was basic, obvious. Oliver Stone spent $43 million, Harold Weissberg authored
book after book. Then came Davy, Mellen, DiEugenio, and Morley. Which of them, if any, delved into the money behind both INCA
and the Garrison investigation and prosecution of Clay Shaw?...
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https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/219917526/
Willard E. Robertson SHREVEPORT Private Kimilv services (or Willord E. Robertson, a recent resident o Shreveport, were held at 11 a m, on Mondav October 31, at the tomilv home Grevstone on Beaver Lake near Rogers, Ark. Mr Robertson died at Ochsner Foundation Hosoitol in New Orleans ot 10 a m on Saturday, October 29. 1983, (oliowingashort Illness Interment will be in the family mausoleum. Mr. Robertson, born on May 16, 1908 in Conwov, NH, was a well-known business and civic leader in Shreveport as well as in Rogers, Ark. and New Orleans, La. He was educated in Exeter, N.H. and Northeast University of Low in Boston, Mass. Mr. Robertson wos assistant to the president ot Church, Ward & Co. in New Haven, Conn. In 1948.



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[Colin Crow]

No problem, many Americans - even reporters - make the same mistake all of the time. It's an odd word to use - impeachment - when it's really just indictment.

The scariest for me is that he's convicted and then runs for the Presidency again and is elected.

The Founders were brilliant men (yes, they compromised over the evil of slavery but what was the alternative at that time?) but would be perplexed at how to handle constitutionally someone like Trump. He's clearly unsuited for office, is a disgrace, a narcissitic thug, but I'm not quite persuaded that his acts warrant removal. I'd like him out of office but I want to do so in a fair manner. His supporters are wrong; but they're Americans too who have a voice in this.

Looking from afar I wonder how you go from "ask not what your country...." and "we choose to go to the moon..." to the self serving gibberish of the present occupant? As an Australian I apologise for the influence of Rupert on all of us.

[Colin Crow]

Colin, an opportunity has presented itself here to have a facts supported discussion centering on Garrison, his investigation, and the money that supported it.
I hope you will participate in your evenhanded, scholarly way I appreciate is unusual around here.

1938... Willard E Robertson was a 30 year old store clerk selling suits adjacent to the Yale Univ. campus in Connecticut.

1944... Willard E Robertson, after brief stints managing a sandwich shop and then a tavern, both adjacent to the Yale Univ. campus in Connecticut,
Robertson was listed in the regional directory employed as a "woodworker" at a defense plant owned by Allen Dulles Princeton, 1914,  classmate, Jack Churchward, located in an adjacent town.

Apologies for the derail Tom....I will not comment further in this thread about Trump.

[Tom Scully]

Apologies for the derail Tom....I will not comment further in this thread about Trump.

Colin, I am not in "monitor mode"....I was inclined to point out to you the fact Steve posted of. My comment to you
was a plea. Posters here willing to discuss the dubious (uncorroborated) claims of Patsy Ruth Billings Lambert....
(anyone ever seen a pic or vid of her or point me to any live presentation by this evidently highly regarded author?)

....but no discussion  ever ensues in reaction to what I actually have proven. In fact, DiEugenio, instead of arguing facts I unearthed, which are impossible to refute, instead associated me with Max Holland.

I genuinely seek your reaction to my facts suggesting Garrison and Shaw may have been on the same side!