A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Colin Crow]

Are you sure the east elevator was on the fifth floor at 12:24 / 12:25?   I believe the east elevator was on six when Baker and Truly arrived on the fifth floor.

Truly and Baker claimed to have taken the east elevator up from 5 about 12.33. West elevator was not there. If williams took it to 6 after noon to spend time in the SN, unless someone visited 6 it stayed there. He (eventually) claimed to take it down to 5, likely around 12.25. That’s about all we have to go on. The official story relies on Dougherty moving the west elevator from 5 after Baker and Truly ascent the stairs and before they reach 5.

[Alan Ford]

Don't forget what Mr Williams told the FBI 11/23/63!



 

[Colin Crow]

Don't forget what Mr Williams told the FBI 11/23/63!



 

Might this have been the mixing of two events? The moving of the west elevator (Dougherty) and the arrival of Baker (stairs).



Here is Bonnie Ray on his way to City Hall, how old does he look?

[John Iacoletti]

Here is Bonnie Ray on his way to City Hall, how old does he look?

Elderly.

[Walt Cakebread]

If Oswald does not begin his trek from Domino room until seeing Norman/Jarman get on the ground floor rear elevator at 12:23, then Oswald has to cross about 100 ft of 1st floor, then go UP 5 flights of 18 step staircases, and across 5 landings of about 15ft length on the diagonal, that would probably average out to at least 20 sec per floor (due to fatigue climbing against gravity) thus Oswald reaching 5th floor landing approx 100 sec or 1 min 40 sec after 12:23 which = 12:24:40. So yes, it is possible for Williams and Oswald to have missed seeing each other on the 5th floor landing ... HOWEVER..

Oswald still has ONE MORE flight of stairs to ascend, and 180 MORE ft of 6th floor to trek across and also must get his rifle from some hiding place, and that would therefore make it highly improbable to have  reached the SN window by 12:25, let alone have time to select which boxes he wanted to use, and move/slide 2 of the boxes up against low wall, and lift a 3rd box onto the window ledge, and then duck out of LOS just before Bronson film starts approx 12:25.

Unless someone can show Bronson film did not start until 12:26

Junior Jarman said that he and Harold Norman arrived on the fifth floor about 12:28....  Do you believe that it took the west elevator FIVE  minutes to rise from the 1st floor to the 5th floor?

[Walt Cakebread]

Might this have been the mixing of two events? The moving of the west elevator (Dougherty) and the arrival of Baker (stairs).



Here is Bonnie Ray on his way to City Hall, how old does he look?

BRW is on the right...He is the epitome of a very worried man....

[Alan Ford]

Might this have been the mixing of two events? The moving of the west elevator (Dougherty) and the arrival of Baker (stairs).

Possibly, I suppose, but it would be quite a mistake for Mr Williams to make (and that's assuming Mr Dougherty's story is legit, which is pretty doubtful IMO!)

Here is Bonnie Ray on his way to City Hall, how old does he look?

Mr Rowland didn't see him on blurry TV footage.

Mr Williams did not look like "an elderly gentleman, bald or practically bald, very thin hair if he wasn't bald"...





And he wasn't wearing a plaid shirt.

Is it possible Mr Rowland got these details badly wrong? Sure. But is it the likely explanation?