A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Colin Crow]

The answer to Ford’s question about returning to Dealey Plaza explains Arnold’s ever changing story. Rowland repeatedly changed and altered his story as time went on and at no time did his description of who he supposedly saw ever resemble BRW as the person he fabricated as having seen in the SN.


The CHAIRMAN - Anything further, Congressman Ford?
Representative FORD - Mr. Rowland, have you ever had occasion to go back to the scene and reconstruct it? Have you ever gone back--
The CHAIRMAN - Supposing we take a few minutes recess.
Mr. ROWLAND - The answer to that question is yes; I do all the time. I pass that area very frequently.

Rowland reconstructed the assassination in his mind until he finally convinces himself there was another person.





Rowland fabricated numerous parts of his testimony, an additional person in the SN was just one of them.

1) Seeing the initial gunman on the 6th floor. The reporting of this person is the only reason any one was talking to him in the first place and starting his 15 minutes of fame. He tells his wife about the sighting but she does not see any one. He never looks back at the window when he hears the shots, which defies the imagination on how a person would think and react.

2) Seeing another person in the SN. This is what made the WC react and determine if he was telling the truth about seeing someone. Interesting he would go back to "seeing someone" to try and recapture his 15 minutes of fame.

3) He volunteers the information about his grades and his wife then volunteers the information about the fact he is not telling the truth.

4) Rowland went in front of the WC and gave them three different answers to the question “did you look back at the 6th floor?”  Rowland states he looks back at the window, he doesn't look back at the window, and maybe he looks back at the window. All in the same testimony.

5) Specter shows Arnold does not get the orientation of the person originally reported with the gun in the window before the assassination in the SW corner of the TSBD .

6) He represents himself as being knowledgeable about guns, but then makes up his own caliber and makes the statement it is an import and he knows the caliber "30 odd size 6" from 200 feet away. There is no such rifle as a “30 odd size 6”.  A 30-06 is not an import rifle it was the standard cartridge of the US Military through two world wars and the Korean conflict. Everything about Rowlands statement indicates he was making it up as he went.

7) He never tells anyone not even his wife about seeing an additional person in the SN despite being interviewed numerous times.

He makes claims that not only the FBI didn't record his statement properly but he doesn't like how his description of the person in the SW corner sounds so he accuses the Dallas Sheriffs Dept of changing his statement from the person standing 15 feet from the window to 3 to 5 feet back from the window .

9) Even Roger Craig then gets involved. He does not get the race or location of 2nd person correct. Not only that but in any of his previous statements he does not mention Rowland making any other statement except for their being 1 person in the SW corner.

Rowlands description of the person he supposedly seen is even more bizarre.

The facts are that Rowland sighted a man with a gun in the SW window at 12.15pm. He told his wife of this and he reported it to authorities immediately after the shots. Do you really believe that he was after 15 minutes of fame? Was he clairvoyant? What the WC did to him was shameless. He correctly reported under oath that he saw a black man in the SN until about 12.25. This is the precise time that Williams left the SN. He said he paid little attention to the man. How would he know the 6th floor was an open area and not a series of rooms from his position? We know Williams was there because his chicken lunch was found there and reported as such by 9 officers first on the scene.

The WC knew Williams was on the floor after lunch and yet only obtained photos of West and Piper, both of them were on the first floor at the relevant time......no photo of Williams.

Such hypocrisy for those who target Rowland yet believe Givens, who did not report the cigarette trip sighting of Oswald until he testified. Jarman and Norman told authorities that Williams went with them in the elevator to the 5th floor consistently until their WC changed the story. Williams changed his story repeatedly in every recounting of it.

The irony of all this is it does not preclude Oswald as the assassin per se.....yet WC supporters are unable to comprehend a scenario that has him occupy the SN just 5 minutes before the shots...why is that?

[Colin Crow]

Nothing disproves the assassin fired from the SE corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD.

I believe that you are flat wrong on this point, Colin....  If the boxes were arranged as the crime scene photos depict them.....It would have been physically impossible  for a man to fire from that SE corner window down onto Elm street.   The boxes would have prevented a man from getting up to the window.....(and in fact the investigators claimed that LHO fired from BEHIND the Rolling Readers boxes  )   If the man couldn't get up to the window and stick the rifle out of the window then it wouldn't have been possible for him to decline the muzzle down onto Elm street.  If he was behind the Rolling readers boxes the rifle couldn't have protruded out of the window because the rifle is only 40 inches long and only about 12 inches of the rifle is forward of the place a man would hold the rifle when aiming and firing it...

I can only hope that I've made myself clear.....

None of what I posted about precludes it Walt. I made no mention of what you describe about the arrangement of boxes.

[Colin Crow]

There are numerous inconsistencies with regard to timing. Most of the witnesses are vague on detail and timing..Jarman.."untill about"..Mr.Truly.."somewhere around".."came back later on"

"Brennan arrived at his position about 12.24.He noticed two men....." That does not confirm his exact time and doesn't confirm the number of men on the second floor.

Nearly all the witnesses are a bit vague on timings etc. That is not surprising in any way. But it does mean that, in some instances, a 5 minutes or even longer, can be added, on a give or take basis, and can be applied to a fair number of witnesses statements throughout this case.

But it doesn't alter the claim that any determined cunning person, in relation to avoiding any movements by other TSBD employees, could get in place, within the time frame, to murder JFK.

Only the contrary, I contend that the testimonies essentially corroborate each other with respect to the timing. There is nothing that places Jarman and Norman on the 5th floor by 12.15pm.

Brennan testified he only saw two men on the 5th floor.

None of what I posted precluded anyone occupying the SN at 12.30pm. I contend that the overwhelming evidence shows that if anyone fired from the SN they did not take up position until after 12.25pm.

[Alan Hardaker]

I think any objective person looking at the arrangement of boxes or the way they stack would conclude that they would not prevent a fit and active person from conjuring or configuring them in such a way to be able to fire a weapon thru a window.The boxes would not prevent such action. They might be a tad awkward or require a bit of dexterity or whatever but it is a bit extream to claim they could conceivably prevent a man from firing a weapon thru an open window.

[Colin Crow]

Alan why does "it follow" that Williams left the 6th floor before 12.15pm. Can you provide any testimony by anyone that would support that claim?

[Alan Hardaker]

Only the contrary, I contend that the testimonies essentially corroborate each other with respect to the timing. There is nothing that places Jarman and Norman on the 5th floor by 12.15pm.

Brennan testified he only saw two men on the 5th floor.

None of what I posted precluded anyone occupying the SN at 12.30pm. I contend that the overwhelming evidence shows that if anyone fired from the SN they did not take up position until after 12.25pm.

That's a very fair and reasonable assumption. I might add that I am not as knowledgeable as some on this forum but I continue to learn about the event from posters like yourself and Mr.Cakebread and others.

One of the many problems is the conduct of the Dallas Police. Totally inept and incompetent with regard to keeping proper record of the 10-12 hours of interrogation. Obviously he might have lied his way thru but somewhere along the line his lies would've come back and bitten him on the backside. Many will obviously conclude that the DPD had a good reason to destroy all or nearly all of any notes made of the interrogation.

[Alan Hardaker]

Alan why does "it follow" that Williams left the 6th floor before 12.15pm. Can you provide any testimony by anyone that would support that claim?

No I can't. The timelines, as I claimed are a bit fuzzy,but do you think Oswald was lurking behind boxes as Williams was eating his lunch and waiting or hoping for him to go. Bearing in mind that Oswald might have expected the motorcade to pass the TSBD at about 12.20. So to have any chance of carrying out his crazy plan he had to be set by 12.20. Oswald might have had the mindset of thinking that it was very unlikely that he will, in reality kill JFK, and that might help explain his erratic departure and the subsequent mahem.