A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Colin Crow]

. SPECTER - You testified before that there were other windows where you had seen people hanging out, is that correct?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you tell us and indicate on the picture, Exhibit 356, to the best of your ability to recollect just which those windows were?
Mr. ROWLAND - There was either two or three people in this window.
Mr. SPECTER - Mark that with a "B" if you would, please.



 Note that this is the 5th Floor. A "B" is noted in the window immediately below the SN in CE356. If 2 people it is likely Jarman and Norman who  arrived around 12.25. Before they arrived the windows were closed so it is likely that Rowland did look back around after the time of the ambulance leaving (12.25).

[John Iacoletti]

Brennan had his chance to identify the shooter and, according to Chief Curry's statement about not being able to place LHO as the shooter, did not identify him to the satisfaction of all. Brennan saw a white person in the SN prior to the shooting. Rowland did not despite looking back at the window repeatedly.

Rowland saw a black person in the SN prior to the shooting (so did Euins according to one account). Brennan did not despite looking back at the window repeatedly.

Given's just said he saw Oswald on the 6th floor. He was in the building and had to be somewhere.

True enough. But Shelley, Piper, and even Givens (originally) reported seeing Oswald on the first floor at about the time Givens later decided he saw him on the sixth floor.

[Walt Cakebread]

. SPECTER - You testified before that there were other windows where you had seen people hanging out, is that correct?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you tell us and indicate on the picture, Exhibit 356, to the best of your ability to recollect just which those windows were?
Mr. ROWLAND - There was [/b]either two or three[/b] people in this window.
Mr. SPECTER - Mark that with a "B" if you would, please.



 Note that this is the 5th Floor. A "B" is noted in the window immediately below the SN in CE356. If 2 people it is likely Jarman and Norman who  arrived around 12.25. Before they arrived the windows were closed so it is likely that Rowland did look back around after the time of the ambulance leaving (12.25).

I can see that the fifth floor window appears to be circled...but I can't discern the letter "B" .....Who circled the 6th floor windows?

[Walt Cakebread]

Rowland saw a black person in the SN prior to the shooting (so did Euins according to one account). Brennan did not despite looking back at the window repeatedly.

True enough. But Shelley, Piper, and even Givens (originally) reported seeing Oswald on the first floor at about the time Givens later decided he saw him on the sixth floor.

Anybody who uses Givens statements to bolster their point is merely weakening their point.   It should be obvious that James Givens was not of sterling character.

He'd been confined a couple of years prior to November 1963, and he would say what ever the authorities wanted him to say......

[John Iacoletti]

Anybody who uses Givens statements to bolster their point is merely weakening their point.   It should be obvious that James Givens was not of sterling character.

But what about Charles Givens?

[Jack Nessan]

Rowland's comment about not paying attention was to Williams not the rifle man......

Brennan was not in position until about 12.24.

Mr. ROWLAND - I understand the question.
Let me see, the exact time I do not remember, but the man, the colored man, was in that window until the procession reached Commerce I mean Main, and Ervay. I was looking back quite often, as I stated.

Mr. ROWLAND - He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds before or a minute before.
 
The motorcade passed Ervay about 12.25pm

Nine officers who observed the SN before Fritz's arrival all claimed seeing lunch remnants in the SN.
 It became quite clear what the corroborated evidence showed. Even Belin and Ball understood that Williams had to be on the 6th floor at the same time as the assassin. This is obvious from Williams WC questioning.

When researching this there was no desired result Jack. I suggest it is you who is selective in your use of information.

No, I think I have it right. Ignoring every piece of information that is contrary to this theory does not make them go away. The only piece if information that could lead you to that conclusion is the pieces of chicken. Unfortuneately there was more than one person eating chicken on the 6th floor.
+There was multiple pieces of chicken on the 6th floor, explainations courtesy of LD Montgomery and Bill Shelley.

+Rowland was observing and watching the SN at the same time as Brennan. The only way he could have known that the imaginary negro person was gone was to keep looking for him. Which he did until the motorcade arrived. He never saw the assassin but others certainly saw him. It must have not occurred to Arnold that stating he saw the gunman in that window would be important.

Mr. ROWLAND - As the motorcade came along, there was quite a bit of excitement. I didn't look back from then. I was very interested in trying to see the President myself. I had seen him twice before but I was interested in seeing him again.


+Rowland could not wait to tell them how smart he was, it must have been embarrassing to completely miss having seen the assassin. Rowland claims to have seen elderly black people and a midget with a rifle all on the 6th floor but he completely missed seeing the real assassin who was in full view for over 5 minutes.

+Sure, he barely noticed the second person, unfortunately he gave this very detailed description.
Mr. ROWLAND - He was very thin, an elderly gentleman, bald or practically bald, very thin hair if he wasn't bald. Had on a plaid shirt. I think it was red and green, very bright color, that is why I remember it.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us an estimate as to age?
Mr. ROWLAND - Fifty; possibly 55 or 60.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us an estimate as to height?
Mr. ROWLAND - 5'8", 5'10", in that neighborhood. He was very slender, very thin.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us a more definite description as to complexion?
Mr. ROWLAND - Very dark or fairly dark, not real dark compared to some Negroes, but fairly dark. Seemed like his face was either--I can't recall detail but it was either very wrinkled or marked in some way.

The desired goal seems to be to place BRW in the SN. The only problem is he never was there and there is a great  deal of testimony that is being ignored to achieve that end.

 Rowland time and time again embellished his testimony on so many different topics. Rowland time and time again was shown to be making up his story as he went. They did not need anyone else's testimony to discredit him. He did that all on his own. Ignoring this fact doesn't somehow help prove BRW was in the SN.

[Jack Nessan]

To eat his lunch. What makes you think Oswald was there?

Yeah, well Brennan saw a lot of things. Brennan simultaneously saw the gunman fire the head shot and Kennedy’s head explode.

“LHO with his rifle”. LOL.

So all the deputies who saw chicken in the SN when it was first discovered we’re having a mass hallucination?

That’s easy for you to say. I could just as easily say “Oswald was never in the SN. To believe otherwise is fitting only select pieces of information into a theory to create  the desired result.”

By the time these witnesses reached the WC they all seem to do the same thing,  embellish their statements. Brennan really seems to upset you. The only importance that on Brennan is I place on Brennan is he saw the rifle being fired and he initially stated there was only two shots.

If BRW had shared the SN with the assassin they would have found BRW's corpse.

According to Alyea, the WC, and the HSCA the media had a heavy influence on the statements of  the witnesses not just the Detectives. Someone who continually demonstrates the ability to apply critical thinking must have noticed the ever fluid statements of the witnesses.