A Better Sequence (TM DVP)

[Jack Nessan]

Here is Jarman's testimony Walt.

Representative FORD - How could you tell this elevator was at six?
Mr. JARMAN - Because after we got around to the other side we looked up.
Representative FORD - You could see it was on six?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.

Jarman is referring to the time he and Norman got off the elevator on the 5th floor. Norman’s recollection that the motorcade had reached Main is timestamped as 12.22pm by police radio transcripts. They had about 200 feet to walk, about 40 seconds at normal walking pace, and then the elevator to 5 took about 40 seconds also. This could put them at the windows at about 12.24 (earliest) and certainly probably by 12.25pm. If Williams left the SN immediately they were below him he likely joined them close to 12.26 or 12.27pm.

The late arrival by Williams provides an explanation for the identification of only two men below the SN. He also had some trouble identifying exactly which window they were in. Jarman occupied the second window from the SE corner while Norman was directly under the SN.

This means the assassin could not take residency in the SN until after 12.25.....ie was only in position for about 5 minutes.

Interesting comment by Brennan.....

Mr. BELIN. Mr. Brennan, could you please tell the Commission what happened from the time you sat on that retaining wall, what you saw?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I was more or less observing the crowd and the people in different building windows, including the fire escape across from the Texas Book Store on the east side of the Texas Book Store, and also the Texas Book Store Building windows. I observed quite a few people in different windows. In particular, I saw this one man on the sixth floor which left the window to my knowledge a couple of times.

Was Williams departing what initially drew Brennan's attention to the SN?

Brennan is talking about the shooter being seen multiple times. He identifies the same person who is shooting from the sixth floor as having been seen earlier.

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, then something, just right after this explosion, made me think that it was a firecracker being thrown from the Texas Book Store. And I glanced up. And this man that I saw previous was aiming for his last shot.
Mr. BELIN. This man you saw previous? Which man are you talking about now?
Mr. BRENNAN. The man in the sixth story window.

[Colin Crow]

Brennan is talking about the shooter being seen multiple times. He identifies the same person who is shooting from the sixth floor as having been seen earlier.

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, then something, just right after this explosion, made me think that it was a firecracker being thrown from the Texas Book Store. And I glanced up. And this man that I saw previous was aiming for his last shot.
Mr. BELIN. This man you saw previous? Which man are you talking about now?
Mr. BRENNAN. The man in the sixth story window.

Brennan claimed that someone left the SN a couple of times. Did he leave twice prior to the shots or once before and once after? These movements occurred over about a 5 minute period. Williams departed about the time Brennan took up position. My speculation was simply that Brennan may have assumed the initial movement of Williams out was movement by the shooter.

[Jack Nessan]

Brennan claimed that someone left the SN a couple of times. Did he leave twice prior to the shots or once before and once after? These movements occurred over about a 5 minute period. Williams departed about the time Brennan took up position. My speculation was simply that Brennan may have assumed the initial movement of Williams out was movement by the shooter.

Brennan said it was the person he had seen previously. He makes no reference to two separate people having been in the SN nor states it was the one specific person and not the other.

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I was more or less observing the crowd and the people in different building windows, including the fire escape across from the Texas Book Store on the east side of the Texas Book Store, and also the Texas Book Store Building windows. I observed quite a few people in different windows. In particular, I saw this one man on the sixth floor which left the window to my knowledge a couple of times.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan claimed that someone left the SN a couple of times. Did he leave twice prior to the shots or once before and once after? These movements occurred over about a 5 minute period. Williams departed about the time Brennan took up position. My speculation was simply that Brennan may have assumed the initial movement of Williams out was movement by the shooter.

I've always maintained that Brennan was NOT referring to the SE corner window....In his affidavit which was recorded only an hour or so after the murder, he said that the man was STANDING and aiming the HI POWERED rifle ( ie; Hunting rifle) and he had the rifle through the open window.  ( I could see all of the barrel ) Brennan said that he could see all of the man's upper body from his waist up.   

Isn't it obvious that Brennan was NOT referring to the SE corner window?   A man couldn't possibly stand behind that SE window and aim a rifle out of the window...

What's so difficult to understand about this?

[John Iacoletti]

Brennan thought everybody was standing. He didn’t know how close the windows were to the floor.

But how could he know that the person he saw “taking aim for the final shot” (which would necessitate crouching behind and being almost completely obscured by boxes) was the same person he saw earlier “hanging out of the window” with no rifle? He probably just assumed it.

[Walt Cakebread]

Brennan thought everybody was standing. He didn’t know how close the windows were to the floor.

But how could he know that the person he saw “taking aim for the final shot” (which would necessitate crouching behind and being almost completely obscured by boxes) was the same person he saw earlier “hanging out of the window” with no rifle? He probably just assumed it.

But Brennan specifically said that he could see all of the upper body of the man....from his waist up.  Therefore the man had to have been standing immediately behind the window. Which would have been impossible if he was referring to the SE window because the boxes would have been in that area..... And  furthermore Brennan said the man who was STANDING was aiming the hi powered rifle (aka known as a hunting rifle) out of the window.   Since the SE window was only halfway open a standing man with a rile to his shoulder as needed to AIM the rifle could NOT stick the rifle barrel out of the window.   ( he would have needed to squat very low to get his shoulder and head low enough to aim a rife out of that Se corner window.   

Do you understand this, John?

[Alan Hardaker]

But does any of this prevent Oswald getting to the 6th, assembling the MC, taking up his position,and killing JFK..no. Rowlands claim that he saw a man with a high powered rifle in the west end og the 6th floor, at about 12.15.If that is true it follows that Williams goes down to the 5th before 12.15. Which in turn means Jarman & Norman are back on the 5th much earlier than the 12.25-12.28 timeslot.

The accuracy of these witnesses times or locations cannot be completely guaranteed. And no concoction or interpretation of their various comings and goings during the 11.45-12.30 timeslot can be pointed to to make any real claim that prevented a determined and cunning person from being on the 6th floor to carry out an assassination.

I believe that determined and cunning person was Oswald.Nothing in this thread disproves that possibility.