Hypothetical

[Thomas Graves]

His Selective Service Card, Knucklehead.

Mike,

Did he receive that "draft card," or did he fabricate it at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall?

--  MWT 

[Colin Crow]

His Selective Service Card, Knucklehead.

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

[Thomas Graves]

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.

Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

[Colin Crow]

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.

Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

Thank you Tommy. Appreciated.

[Thomas Graves]

Thank you Tommy. Appreciated.

Colin,

You're welcome!

Question: Is that Oswald (before, or after "programming" by the humanitarian organization known as the KGB), someone else, or a compilation?

(IDK)

--  MWT 

PS  If the KGB had anything to do with the making of these different "Hidell" same spot-on-neck military IDs, and if the photo is of someone else who had a mark like that on his neck, then imho the fact that they didn't photographically remove the spot can mean two different things:

1) the spot isn't a biological thing, after all, but a mistake in the photographic process which the KGB assumed would be recognized by others for what it was, or

2) that it is a biological mark on an Oswald impersonator, and the reason they didn't airbrush it out was because it was supposed to signify something to someone Oswald would be showing that ID to.

Implicit in #2, above, is that I can't imagine the KGB's not noticing that Oswald didn't have a mark like that on his neck.

--  MWT 

[Walt Cakebread]

Not being familiar with SS cards, are photos normally included? Ones I can find from that era don’t seem to include them. I assume there was a standard format that might have changed somewhat over the years. What does the Class IV mean? Why would someone forge a card including a photo if it was so obviously phony?

Photos were NOT on SS cards.....Classification IV A  was the classification for a highly desirable draftee....When an 18 year old male registered with Selective Service he would be examined and classified according to his physical and mental condition....   Classification IV A was the highest classification, and a young man that received that classification could expect to find himself in a basic training camp shortly after he was classified.

The card that you have posted a picture of is NOT a draft card....    It is a federal crime to forge or alter a draft card ....BUT it's bot illegal to create a obviously fake  draft card like the one you've posted....Lee Oswald would have been well aware of this fact....Thus he created the silly rendition.   

AND....The FBI and the Warren Commission would have known that the card with the photo was a fake....and then they should have rejected it and investigated it's creation....But they acted as if it was a legitimate draft card..... 

[Walt Cakebread]

Colin,

There was a whole thread kinda on this topic at the EF a couple of years ago.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24175-the-stamp-on-the-military-id-card/

--  MWT 

Edit #1:  The general consensus on that 24-page EF thread is that, by extrapolation, the photo on Hidell's "classification" card, above, was taken (or created?) in Minsk.


Edit #2: It get's really interesting on page 20, a little more than halfway down, on Chris Newton's September 14 post where he notices the black spot on that guy's neck, and the fact that the same-but-unused photo was found in Oswald's "scrapbook" or "photo book".

 You might want to check it out ...

Edit #3:  Interestingly, that photo is featured in the Wikipedia article on Oswald, and when one looks at it and notices another spot on the general image, one wonders if the black spot on the neck is a biological feature of the dude (or a compilation of two dudes?), or if it was just a byproduct of a rather sloppy photographic process, be it of a normal photographic situation (of Oswald, or someone in Minsk who resembled him), or of a more exotic, "fake photo"/compilation nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

PS  Am I "virtuous," yet?

No the card was not created in Minsk....Lee created that silly rendition of a Selective Service Card in New Orleans ......

A poster in the EF wrote:....."over the picture is what appears to be a post office stamp dated October 23, 1963.  Where the heck did that stamp come from?"

Please....Those of you who are erstwhile researchers OPEN YOUR EYES and examine that so called "post Office stamp"   If you look closely you'll see that the "post office stamp was made by using a US quarter dollar coin.....( naturally the words are written backward but there's no doubt that a quarter and an inkpad were used to create a stamp to fill the are of the photo that was taken in Minsk.  Lee used that photo when he created the silly "draft card"....