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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #609 on: November 24, 2019, 07:21:55 PM »
Huh? You want no more GIFS, yet you demand I submit a GIF with Frazier's position on it?

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No, Mr Mytton, not a GIF, just the single image below with your educated guess as to Mr Frazier's position marked on it------------an 'X' or a circle would do just fine!  Thumb1:



Or don't you want to for fear of the complications it might cause you?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #610 on: November 24, 2019, 07:26:42 PM »
What do you think you are trying to prove?



JohnM

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Explain to us how a gap this size------------



------------could be yielded by your suggested positioning of Mr Lovelady!



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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #611 on: November 24, 2019, 07:56:06 PM »
Hilarious, the blind leading the blind, it's no wonder you people have no answers and therefore have to resort to the "fakery explanation".

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       That's Non-Responsive. You have No Explanation for what is Incorrectly being illustrated.
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Online James Hackerott

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #612 on: November 24, 2019, 09:07:44 PM »
What do you think you are trying to prove?

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John,
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This overlay was made with a POV sim that was rendered without camera rotation applied. If you'd like I can render using the  camera rotation (If I can still find it). The Wiegman frame would be Frame15.

From a draft to a post a little over a year ago about the DVD Death-In-Dealey-Plaza production (Unger?) frames:
One thing I wanted to mention about the DiDP Wiegman frames. I mentioned that they were cropped and afterward I overlaid one on the Groden frame (4:3 aspect) and the DiDP frames are about 84% by area. Not so bad by itself, but more disturbing is the aspect ratio of those frames are about 4% squashed in the vertical dimension. 4% on a 6' figure would decrease about 3” to the apparent height.  I had to increase the vertical by 4% to match the Groden frame. If not adjusted first and then after the frame is rotated that wrong aspect ratio is present at different amounts in all directions. And if the overlay frames are also rotated differently it could get confusing. My overlays below were made  before the conclusion of the doorway scenes.

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #613 on: November 24, 2019, 09:13:45 PM »
:D

Explain to us how a gap this size------------



------------could be yielded by your suggested positioning of Mr Lovelady!



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The line of sight places Lovelady only 6 inches forward from where I originally placed him, thanks for demanding that extra fraction of accuracy which does nothing to advance your theory but makes me look pretty damn clever!



Btw the left red line of sight is defined by the column and the centre of the door, and if Wiegman is closer or further away, then proportionally Lovelady only needs to move a few inches either way along the shadow line.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #614 on: November 24, 2019, 09:23:58 PM »
John,
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This overlay was made with a POV sim that was rendered without camera rotation applied. If you'd like I can render using the  camera rotation (If I can still find it). The Wiegman frame would be Frame15.

From a draft to a post a little over a year ago about the DVD Death-In-Dealey-Plaza production (Unger?) frames:
One thing I wanted to mention about the DiDP Wiegman frames. I mentioned that they were cropped and afterward I overlaid one on the Groden frame (4:3 aspect) and the DiDP frames are about 84% by area. Not so bad by itself, but more disturbing is the aspect ratio of those frames are about 4% squashed in the vertical dimension. 4% on a 6' figure would decrease about 3” to the apparent height.  I had to increase the vertical by 4% to match the Groden frame. If not adjusted first and then after the frame is rotated that wrong aspect ratio is present at different amounts in all directions. And if the overlay frames are also rotated differently it could get confusing. My overlays below were made  before the conclusion of the doorway scenes.

James

I know from personal experience how difficult it is to make 3D graphics and then trying to match preexisting photos/screen grabs with their ratio/lens/etc distortions makes the whole exercise a pain in the Bahookie, then you get morons like Royell who don't have a clue making uninformed criticisms about insignificant details and it's just not worth the effort, but don't let me stop you, so far what I've seen of your stuff has been quite helpful.

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #615 on: November 24, 2019, 09:44:55 PM »
I know from personal experience how difficult it is to make 3D graphics and then trying to match preexisting photos/screen grabs with their ratio/lens/etc distortions makes the whole exercise a pain in the Bahookie, then you get morons like Royell who don't have a clue making uninformed criticisms about insignificant details and it's just not worth the effort, but don't let me stop you, so far what I've seen of your stuff has been quite helpful.

JohnM

    If the visual aid Incorrectly displays the Top 2 steps to be extending Back into the landing, and Lovelady is standing on the edge of the Landing = Step #2, Lovelady is then being positioned Closer to the street/Closer to the Column which allegedly is casting a shadow on him. The positioning of Lovelady Impacts where any alleged shadow being cast by that column might fall on him.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 09:46:27 PM by Royell Storing »