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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #864 on: December 05, 2019, 11:09:51 PM »
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Even though I've made minor insignificant changes along the way, the basic physics and the core construction always remained the same.

"minor insignificant changes", lol

The green arrow tells the story:



No wonder you felt the need to decapitate the lady in black in your latest effort!  :D

And what happened to your Soopah-Doopah-Plumb-Line-Proof that you'd gotten the railing just right last time?



And your Soopah-Doopah-3D-Proof?



I guess you'll have to create a brand new Soopah-Doopah-Plumb-Line-Proof and a brand new Soopah-Doopah-3D-Proof that prove that no, actually it's your new railing that's just right!

 :D :D :D
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #865 on: December 05, 2019, 11:29:52 PM »
    FORD - With the Landing being Less than 4 feet deep it is difficult to envision 2 people, (Lovelady/Oswald), standing almost single file in front of a roughly 4 feet wide door which opens outward toward them. There just is Not the room to do this along with the common sense factor of standing directly in front of/on top of a glass door that opens toward you.

The glass door opened inwards and outwards, Mr Storing:



Mr Oswald would have done what Mr Dan Rather is doing here:



He then slips across past Mr Frazier, who is probably the only person who notices him for the very short time he is out there.

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On top of that, Buell Frazier is also supposed to be standing back behind these 2 guys on that Less than 4 feet deep Landing and in front of that same roughly 4 foot wide door. Lovelady possibly standing on the top step directly below the Landing makes more sense than piling people up on a less than 4 feet deep landing.

There has been legitimate debate as to whether Mr Lovelady is at the edge of the landing or on the top step in Wiegman. (Mr Hackerott for instance offers the former, Mr Stancak the latter.)

What's quite certain either way is that Mr Lovelady is not on the landing after he steps downwards:



And yet---------the magic 'shadow' magically moves down with him!  :D

Of course, the distance between Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier----------------



------------------, along with the lack of horizontal shadow hitting Mr Lovelady's head, makes it impossible for Mr Lovelady to be anywhere near where poor lost Mr Mytton desperately needs to put him to get him to the shadow line:



This, we recall, is the reason why poor lost Mr Mytton never got back to us with his suggested placement of Mr Frazier in Wiegman---------------to do so would have committed him to a situation in which not alone is Mr Lovelady about to bend down and tie his shoelaces (!!) but he is also standing on Mr Frazier's toes!  :D :D :D
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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #866 on: December 06, 2019, 12:49:06 AM »
"minor insignificant changes", lol

The green arrow tells the story:

No wonder you felt the need to decapitate the lady in black in your latest effort!  :D

And what happened to your Soopah-Doopah-Plumb-Line-Proof that you'd gotten the railing just right last time?

I guess you'll have to create a brand new Soopah-Doopah-Plumb-Line-Proof that proves that no, actually it's your new railing that's just right!

 :D :D :D

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The green arrow tells the story:

By following the wrong line in Darnell, I made the top rail go back to a lower position on the top skirt, but after the plumb line it's still in the same horizontal position as the upper post, so yeah insignificant.



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No wonder you felt the need to decapitate the lady in black in your latest effort! 

What's there to wonder about? The reason is in the post, nothing in the image besides Lovelady, the shadow, the hand rail, the rear doors and the building has any meaning and visually only adds random noise that detracts from the main mission, which as always is blindingly obvious, Lovelady is in the shadow just like the film shows. Face it you're out of excuses and are just panicking because without the added distractions, Lovelady's position was always a mile away from the center top post. Them's the breaks.



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And what happened to your Soopah-Doopah-Plumb-Line-Proof that you'd gotten the railing just right last time?

Ummmm, the plumb line describes the vertical position and my railing as shown above was a little low but still in the same horizontal position as defined by the upper post.

The shadow is either easily explainable by science or someone somehow saw Oswald in Wiegman's wildly panning handheld shot that lasted half a second and found the copy in the archives and added a natural shadow to Lovelady to hide Oswald who was standing behind, have I got that right?

Btw your continuing of the yellow line through the glass out into the lobby shows that you are still having trouble with perspective, you really should have taken my advice. Oops!



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« Reply #867 on: December 06, 2019, 12:53:41 AM »
When it comes to Movies & Politics, you are in way over your head.

I base my reality on real life whereas as is obvious your reality revolves around the logic seen in movies, explains a lot, eh.
And watching you get your ass kicked in the "politics" thread is just another example of Storing's incompetence, aren't you good at anything?

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Re: Those Front Steps
« Reply #868 on: December 06, 2019, 01:29:35 AM »
The glass door opened inwards and outwards, Mr Storing:



Mr Oswald would have done what Mr Dan Rather is doing here:



He then slips across past Mr Frazier, who is probably the only person who notices him for the very short time he is out there.

There has been legitimate debate as to whether Mr Lovelady is at the edge of the landing or on the top step in Wiegman. (Mr Hackerott for instance offers the former, Mr Stancak the latter.)

What's quite certain either way is that Mr Lovelady is not on the landing after he steps downwards:



And yet---------the magic 'shadow' magically moves down with him!  :D

Of course, the distance between Mr Lovelady and Mr Frazier----------------



------------------, along with the lack of horizontal shadow hitting Mr Lovelady's head, makes it impossible for Mr Lovelady to be anywhere near where poor lost Mr Mytton desperately needs to put him to get him to the shadow line:



This, we recall, is the reason why poor lost Mr Mytton never got back to us with his suggested placement of Mr Frazier in Wiegman---------------to do so would have committed him to a situation in which not alone is Mr Lovelady about to bend down and tie his shoelaces (!!) but he is also standing on Mr Frazier's toes!  :D :D :D

     My point is those watching the parade would be facing Elm St with their Back facing the door. Anyone Exiting the TSBD during this same time would be opening the door OUTWARD and nailing those standing on the landing in front of the door. With the Landing being Less than 4 feet deep, and the door being 4 Feet Wide, the opening of that door would replicate a windshield wiper fanning across a windshield. The placement of ALL these bodies on the Landing in front of that door, (including your alleged Oswald), defies logic.

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« Reply #869 on: December 06, 2019, 01:33:55 AM »
This, we recall, is the reason why poor lost Mr Mytton never got back to us with his suggested placement of Mr Frazier in Wiegman---------------to do so would have committed him to a situation in which not alone is Mr Lovelady about to bend down and tie his shoelaces (!!) but he is also standing on Mr Frazier's toes!  :D :D :D

In this blue circle you say you see Frazier's head, really?  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



And even if the indistinguishable blob is Frazier, the distance between Lovelady and Frazier is no different to other people in your graphic, it's the forced perspective of the 3D graphic that's confusing you.



Btw we also discussed this, by allowing for Wiegman's line of sight of the surrounding fixed scenery, Lovelady's position is calculated to be about six inches away in the green circle.



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« Reply #870 on: December 06, 2019, 01:36:39 AM »
     My point is those watching the parade would be facing Elm St with their Back facing the door. Anyone Exiting the TSBD during this same time would be opening the door OUTWARD and nailing those standing on the landing in front of the door.

Why would they be opening the door outward when they could open it inward? Look again at the Rather clip!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #871 on: December 06, 2019, 01:54:01 AM »
In this blue circle you say you see Frazier's head, really?  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

 :D :D :D

Of course this is Mr Frazier!



Why don't you now blow up Mr Lovelady's head in the above to ridiculous pixelated magnitude and cast doubt on its really being Mr Lovelady? What childish games you play, Mr Mytton!  :D

And good luck selling the idea that the horizontal-shadow-escaping Mr Lovelady (green arrow) is standing behind the head-half-in-shadow man marked with pink arrow!





I mean, talk about desperation!  :D

Rational people, meanwhile, can see that Mr Lovelady in Wiegman is in front of that man in Wiegman just as he is in Altgens:



No rational person will believe that Mr Lovelady, standing near the center railing, strained for a better view down Elm Street (Altgens) and then stepped back into the landing and strained for a better view of--------------the west wall (Wiegman1)... And then elected to tie his shoelaces (Wiegman2)!

But that, folks, is the Soopah-Doopah-Mytton-Theory:D
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