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Lance Payette speaks and How this would play out in court!
Tom Scully:
--- Quote from: Colin Crow on February 11, 2018, 01:40:21 AM ---From Lance the lawyer......
But when you get into the level of work that the FBI and Warren Commission did (some of which is truly mind-boggling), and then the review by the HSCA, you realize that the assassination DID receive a close look. It may be the accepted conspiracy gospel that the Warren Report was a slipshod effort, but that is simply not true
Oh really......perhaps he has not read "Inquest".
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Colin, do not keep me in suspense. If you know who is trustworthy despite being connected to this tight little group of names, out with it, pul-eeze!
I am discouraged by how predictable their connections are. They certainly kept at staying ahead of it if knowing all there is to know at every given
time, from Oswald arrives in Moscow, until.....now? is any indication.
--- Quote ---http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/fakevictor.htm
.........Since Mark Lane was apparently staying at, or receiving mail at, Schoenman?s residence, I thought it likely that Lane had dispatched my visitor to get the FBI reports for his book.
I then called Arnold Krakower, the New York lawyer who had helped me before on my movie project. I knew Krakower loved a mystery (he had been married to the novelist Kathleen Winsor). When I told him about the incident, he said he was going to ?read the riot act to Lane?s publisher.?
Krakower called me two days later to report that Lane?s manuscript, entitled ?Rush to Judgment,? was at the Viking Press, to whose owner and publisher, Tom Guinzburg, he had spoken. He said that Guinzburg no longer wanted to publish Lane?s book but would be interested in my thesis. The editor there whom I was to contact was Clay Felker.
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--- Quote ---SON OF A SMOKING GUN - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...of.../7af8c406-1fec-487e-85e6-4cbb0bc7a1fe/
Jun 10, 1994 - ....Skull and Bones....He became a protege of New York magazine's editor, Clay Felker, and then became managing editor of Esquire at the barely post-pubescent age of 25. ... Through the job he met his wife, Lucy Gregg, the daughter of Donald Gregg, Bush's national security adviser, and gathered material for "The White ...
North Korea: Time for Talks Says U.S. Expert Don Gregg | Time
time.com ? Ideas ? North Korea
Jul 25, 2017 - That's the assessment of Donald P. Gregg, arguably, the man who knows more about North Korea than any living American. Gregg, 89, is a retired State Department and CIA veteran, a North Asia specialist, and a recipient of the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal.
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--- Quote ---Skulls and Keys: The Hidden History of Yale's Secret Societies
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1681775816
David Alan Richards - 2017 - History
More to the point, it was not true again in Jackson's own election year, when Bones tapped and was accepted by Thomas H. Guinzberg, Hotchkiss graduate, winner ... Anti-Semitism was still a force: the Fence Club, Yale's most exclusive fraternity, rejected Guinzburg because he was Jewish, until his close friend Bill Buckley ...
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--- Quote ---http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17838-more-than-just-a-rant/?do=findComment&comment=271545
Well Greg.... I suppose all of these connections could simply be coincidental, but could this many really add up to nothing?
The CIA financed Paris Review "crew" and their Rockefeller / Bush connected "pals" seem to be surrounding Jackie.
Tom Guinzberg was a close friend of John D. Macomber.:
--- Quote --- On 4/7/2013 at 10:55 PM, Tom Scully said:
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George Ohrstrom was an usher in Peter Matthiessen's (of the Paris Review and the CIA) wedding, as was the sister-in-law of Richard Ober of CIA. Usher Thomas Guinzburg would later hire Jackie Onassis. He was Matthiessen's Yale roommate and presented as not being witty to Matthiessen's CIA affiliation, but Guinzburg's father was OSS minister of propaganda (OWI) and immediately after WWII led a US intelligence program intended to influence what would and would not be suitable subject matter for publication...
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In John Macomber's wedding article, his brother William was best man, as well as best man in the 1946 Bush-Ellis wedding
(Alexander Ellis was S&B) and in the 1973 wedding of Thomas Devine. Devine's new wife's father was Scroll and Key.
John Macomber's brother Robert was an usher, along with Tom Guinzburg.
William Macomber, Ed Hooker, George Bush:
--- Quote ---http://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861370
Tom S. March 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm
The ?problem? is not where Bush was on November 22. It is that he had so many he was so close to who
had close contact with DeMohrenschildt, and in one example, with both DeMohrenschildt and with Garry Coit,
Priscilla Johnson?s CIA contact. In 1940, Bush lived in the small A.U.V. secret society house on the campus of Phillips Andover ? http://preservation.mhl.org/123-main-st
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Along with Bush in residence, were DeMohrenschildt?s step-nephew and later business partner, the man who introduced DeMohrenschildt to Wynne Sharples, Edward Gordon Hooker. Bush escorted Hooker?s daughter down the wedding aisle in 1972, and ?gave away? Susan B. Hooker to groom, Ames Braga, son of B. Rionda Braga.
Along with Bush and Hooker, also in residence was William B. Macomber, Jr., best man in the 1946 wedding of Bush?s sister, Nancy, and in the 1973 wedding of Thomas J. Devine. Devine, from 1944 to 1946, lived in the Sigma Chi fraternity house on the M.I.T. campus, with Priscilla?s future CIA handler, Garry Coit, and 16 other frat brothers. Devine and Coit attended Naval radio school at the same time in October, 1944.
On April 25, 1963, two weeks after the WC determined Oswald shot at Gen. Walker, DeMohrenschildt met with Thomas Devine, who was fronting for the CIA as an investment manager at Train, Cabot, Park Ave., NYC. Devine reported three other contacts with DeMohrenschildt by May 21, 1963, (see- http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=8627&relPageId=9 ) and was tasked by CIA?s C. Frank Stone, III (see- http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64083&relPageId=2&search=nattily )
to learn all he could about George DeM. HSCA witness Joseph F. Dryer, Jr. claimed he held a separate meeting on April 25, 1963 with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles, and that a CIA contact told Dryer that a secretary traveling in the U.S. with Clemard Charles was reporting to CIA.
Dryer?s brother and business partner happened to be a longtime classmate of Devine?s at a small private, K-12 school in Rochester, NY. Joan Mellen wrote extensively about Dryer in her recent book, ?Our Man In Haiti,? and when I asked her if she was aware that Peter R. Dryer was Tom Devine?s schoolmate, she shared that Joseph F Dryer revealed to her only after her book went to publication, that he considered Devine his closest friend in Rochester.
CIA?s Gale Allen reported that Devine had ?read in,? Bush on detail related to CIA Op Wubriny, referred to in Devine?s reporting relating to his contacts with DeMohrenschildt. see- http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=12758&relPageId=2
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--- Quote ---http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14052-thomas-j-devine/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-208679
Oct 13, 2009 -
Also in 1973, Macomber's brother, John, left his position as a McKinsey & Co. partner, to take the job as President of Celanese Corp. He then hired Thomas Devine, a Train, Cabot partner, as V.P. and controller at Celanese.
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John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on February 11, 2018, 03:01:48 AM ---That's the problem. It was a book based on the interviews and not on the actual evidence. The problem with his interview is that some of those quoted in the book claimed not to have spoken to or were misquoted or had their remarks taken out of context by the shifty Epstein.
Among his reservations about the SBT was the clothing holes and his thought that teh President and the Governor were hit separately and too close in time for a single assassin. Had he the resources and inclination, he might have found several photos showing the President's jacket was bunched up and that Connally was below and to the left of Kennedy.
Epstein criticized the Commission's finding that foliage blocked Oswald's view because he thought the oak tree between the SN and the limousine had no foliage in November.
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--- Quote ---Among his reservations about the SBT was the clothing holes.... he might have found several photos showing the President's jacket was bunched up and that Connally was below and to the left of Kennedy.
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Before the Internet age seeing a fair cross section of photos of the President in Dallas wasn't easy and the early Krooked Conspiracy Authors took advantage of this but anyone and I mean anyone who still uses the hole in the Jacket argument without considering the very obvious bunching is in serious need of glasses.
JohnM
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on February 11, 2018, 03:14:34 PM ---
Before the Internet age seeing a fair cross section of photos of the President in Dallas wasn't easy and the early Krooked Conspiracy Authors took advantage of this but anyone and I mean anyone who still uses the hole in the Jacket argument without considering the very obvious bunching is in serious need of glasses.
JohnM
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Again, the Hole in JFK's Dress Shirt aligns with the Bullet Hole in his back. BOTH of these Holes Align with the Hole in the Jacket. The "bunching" argument is a David Copperfield maneuver intended to distract the audience. This tactic does Not Work on those that Focus their Attention on ALL of the pertinent FACTS.
PS - With regard to Mr Payette, he lists a date of Jan. 1 in regard to his becoming a "retired" attorney. In What YEAR is this crack attorney/civil litigator's retirement connected to?
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 11, 2018, 03:29:10 PM --- Again, the Hole in JFK's Dress Shirt aligns with the Bullet Hole in his back. BOTH of these Holes Align with the Hole in the Jacket. The "bunching" argument is a David Copperfield maneuver intended to distract the audience. This tactic does Not Work on those that Focus their Attention on ALL of the pertinent FACTS.
PS - With regard to Mr Payette, he lists a date of Jan. 1 in regard to his becoming a "retired" attorney. In What YEAR is this crack attorney/civil litigator's retirement connected to?
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--- Quote ---The "bunching" argument is a David Copperfield maneuver intended to distract the audience.
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Sorry.
--- Quote ---PS - With regard to Mr Payette, he lists a date of Jan. 1 in regard to his becoming a "retired" attorney. In What YEAR is this crack attorney/civil litigator's retirement connected to?
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He's a member over at Ed Forum, if you want to know any specific details go ask him but be careful with you usual wild accusations because he just may sue your ass! Hahaha!
Btw what happened to your over the top pompous style of post formatting?
JohnM
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on February 11, 2018, 04:11:44 PM ---
Sorry.
He's a member over at Ed Forum, if you want to know any specific details go ask him but be careful with you usual wild accusations because he just may sue your ass! Hahaha!
Btw what happened to your over the top pompous style of post formatting?
JohnM
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(1) Being incapable of supply Details pertaining to Your Posted Source reflects poorly on that Source in addition to You having Blindly proffered said source.
(2) There is NO Avoiding the Bullet Hole in the JFK Jacket aligning with both the Bullet Hole in JFK's Dress Shirt & the Bullet Hole in JFK 's Back. Your Refusal to address this FACT Immediately renders your "bunching" issue D.O.A.
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