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Lance Payette speaks and How this would play out in court!

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John Corbett:

--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on February 15, 2018, 08:42:37 PM ---Brennan has no credibility whatsoever.

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It's amazing how people are perfectly willing to accept uncorroborated statements by witnesses and dismiss the ones that are corroborated. Within minutes, Brennan told a cop where he had seen the shooter fire he final shot from. Later, 3 spent shells were found at the very window. But you want to claim Brennan has no credibility.

Tom Scully:

--- Quote from: Lance Payette on June 22, 2026, 09:58:26 PM ---What a hoot! I was scrolling through old threads and immediately stumbled on this from 2018, which I hadn't seen before.

MTG declared me "an ignorant nutjob." There is simply no higher compliment than having MTG declare you an ignorant nut job.

Tim Nickerson quoted with a hee-hee-hee Smiley Face a challenge by Jim DiEugenio that I, a mere Ed Forum newbie, seemed to think I had "in just a matter of days and sixteen posts ... done what say Gil Jesus, David Josephs, John Armstrong, Martha Moyer and the later Ray Gallagher could not do in literally years of research, going back to the nineties."

Jimbo was talking about my discovery of the File Locator Number on the Klein's postal money order, which pretty much sealed the deal on its authenticity. He was quite wrong that I thought I had done this in a matter of days and 16 posts. It took me about an hour on Google. Up your pompous Bahookie, Jimbo.

I'm kind of surprised that my 2018 Ed Forum post (quoted in John M's original post) holds up as well as it does. It's pretty much exactly what I would say today and is entirely consistent with my recent "focus on plausibility" post here. Not nearly as snarky as I would've expected.

It's kind of interesting to scroll through these old threads. I just started at page 208 and worked backwards from there.

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I dug up the research your File Locator Number discovery inspired me to build on!

The web archive loads slowly, scroll to the bottom of the page.... a long scroll,:

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Thank you, David.:
Thank you, David.:

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22434&p=318383
David von Pein - Posted November 10, 2015
More information (from 1962 newspaper accounts) on the punch holes, dug up by Tom Scully,

is available HERE and HERE.

Looks like a nice big defeat for the "LN" side regarding the "punch holes".

Celebrate, CTers! Looks like you won this one.

But, I can't help but repeat....

How in the heck do CTers think the Hidell money order managed to get to the Federal Records Center in Alexandria, Virginia, if it wasn't cashed and then processed by someone?

~big shrug~

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The response to my presentation of Arlington, VA archive recovery of the Postal Money Order by archivist Robert H. Jackson, using the File Locator Number that Lance had recently explained the importance and the function of was David Jospeph and Jim DiEugenio going on the Black OP Radio podcast to abuse their guest privileges by claiming Mr. Jackson did not exist, motivated by Armstrong's claim that the postal money order could only have been found in Kansas City.

They went so far as to declare that archivist Jackson had to be a fictional disinfo subterfuge, I had to locate Jackson's death certificate on Ancestry.com to try to
shut them down!

Jackson's home address displayed on the death certificate, along with his occupation; archivist. This shut down that particular segment of their disinfo efforts!

Their practice is to try to discredit any evidence they regard as threatening their preconceived beliefs. Doing this results in their efforts being worse than if they did nothing.

The document about archivist Jackson that Joseph and DiEugenio attempted to discredit.:
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Lance Payette:

--- Quote from: Tom Scully on July 04, 2026, 04:19:20 AM ---I dug up the research your File Locator Number discovery inspired me to build on!

The web archive loads slowly, scroll to the bottom of the page.... a long scroll,:
The response to my presentation of Arlington, VA archive recovery of the Postal Money Order by archivist Robert H. Jackson, using the File Locator Number that Lance had recently explained the importance and the function of was David Jospeph and Jim DiEugenio going on the Black OP Radio podcast to abuse their guest privileges by claiming Mr. Jackson did not exist, motivated by Armstrong's claim that the postal money order could only have been found in Kansas City.

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The confusion regarding Kansas City, which was one of Sandy Larsen's big talking points and still appears on Armstrong's site, was: Under the agency agreement between the Federal Reserve and the Postal Service, the Federal Reserve was responsible solely for processing and paying a Postal Money Order. The agreement specifically said that the Federal Reserve had no responsibility for auditing a PMO for fraud or irregularities. The Post Office was responsible for that. In 1955, the process was streamlined so all PMOs went to an auditing center in Kansas City instead of a variety of auditing centers as they had previously done. So they did all go to Kansas City before being placed into storage at the Federal Records Center in Alexandria. The storage was for a fairly short retention period in case some claim was made and a PMO was needed as evidence. After that period, they were destroyed; tens of millions were sold, so storage would have been a major issue if they had been retained for years. I believe it was Sandy who found a newspaper article from 1955 saying that "all" PMOs would now go to Kansas City, and he and the H&L gang misunderstood what this meant. There were three functions: processing and payment (Federal Reserve), auditing (Post Office), storage (Federal Records Center).

Tom Scully:

--- Quote from: Lance Payette on July 04, 2026, 12:49:02 PM ---The confusion regarding Kansas City, which was one of Sandy Larsen's big talking points and still appears on Armstrong's site, was: Under the agency agreement between the Federal Reserve and the Postal Service, the Federal Reserve was responsible solely for processing and paying a Postal Money Order. The agreement specifically said that the Federal Reserve had no responsibility for auditing a PMO for fraud or irregularities. The Post Office was responsible for that. In 1955, the process was streamlined so all PMOs went to an auditing center in Kansas City instead of a variety of auditing centers as they had previously done. So they did all go to Kansas City before being placed into storage at the Federal Records Center in Alexandria. The storage was for a fairly short retention period in case some claim was made and a PMO was needed as evidence. After that period, they were destroyed; tens of millions were sold, so storage would have been a major issue if they had been retained for years. I believe it was Sandy who found a newspaper article from 1955 saying that "all" PMOs would now go to Kansas City, and he and the H&L gang misunderstood what this meant. There were three functions: processing and payment (Federal Reserve), auditing (Post Office), storage (Federal Records Center).

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Lance
Armstrong cited testimony collected by an official in a position to know who was apparently unaware that the Post Office had been able, because of new tech purchases
reported in June, to eliminate paying the Fed Res to provide manual key punching of the M.O. (on a key punch card format) face amount onto the
M.O.'s which become obsolete after LHO purchased some of them in 1962 and sent as payment to Dept. of State for the travel expenses that Dept. had loaned
to him.

Armstrong presented that those 1962 M.O.'s of which he had the serial numbers, supported that the M.O. associated with payment to Klein's for the
rifle, were suspiciously lower, considering how many M.O.s the Dallas P.O. was selling per month. I provided proof by displaying a late 1962 internal bulletin
that Dallas P.O. was to receive new format M.O.s

(Link to dated bulletin excerpt, I can't get it to display in this forum's BB code....
https://onedrive.live.com/?qt=allmyphotos&photosData=%2Fshare%2FFE47B6F7A749F492%21sbde028d3691746f7911bc18968150f98%3Fithint%3Dphoto%26e%3DNzQWy7%26migratedtospo%3Dtrue&cid=FE47B6F7A749F492&id=FE47B6F7A749F492%21sbde028d3691746f7911bc18968150f98&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL2kvYy9mZTQ3YjZmN2E3NDlmNDkyL0lRRFRLT0M5RjJuM1JwRWJ3WWxvRlEtWUFYd2NNTnM4MEJlQXN0ak5Gc2xWQlZVP2U9TnpRV3k3&v=photos


with higher serial numbers unrelated to those purchased in Dallas in 1962. The bulletin directed postmasters
to destroy via burning the 1962 M.O. inventory still on hand after roll out of the higher serial numbered, "print punch" M.O.'s to be sold in Dallas beginning
about Jan. 5, 1963. The new machines on P.O. counters performed the face value key punched code at point of sale, saving the P.O. approx. $166,000 nationally,
annually, that had been formerly paid to the Fed. Res. for individual manual keypunching.

The FLN you contributed accurate interpretation of was printed on each paid money order after receipt at the Arlington, VA archive, the FLN providing instruction
to the archive staff of exactly where to file each M.O. stored at the archive at the exact location it was to be filed, making them retrievable if necessary.

The older style M.O.'s requiring manual Fed. Res. keypunching all went to Kansas City for audit and storage. None received Arlington formatted FLNs and
thus would have been impossible or at least extremely difficult to retrieve in a timely manner since the FLN initially assigned a storage location at Arlington
facilitating the quick retrieval experienced on 11/23/63.

The 1962 news reporting and that internal P.O. news bulletin blow the belief system of Armstrong and his followers out of the water.
Armstrong seemed never to have noticed the FLN you cracked the meaning of and certainly missed the 1962 news reporting about the P.O. purchase
on new "print punch" at point of sale M.O. printing machines, as well as the late internal P.O. bulletin which fully explained why the serial number on
the Klein's M.O. as so much higher, leavinlg Armstrong with no support for his belief the Klein's M.O. was fake because it was too high compared
late 1962 Dallas P.O. issued M.O.

The Armstrong, DiEugenio, David Joseph, Sandy, et al belief system is swallowed and defended as a whole. As we've experienced, it is heresy to think
evidence like ours could be other than disinfo, irrelevant to the requirement that the Klein's money order was fake, not purchased by LHO!

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LN Version before your FLN interpretation and my subsequent discoveries "influenced" incomplete face savings attempts.


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Oswald Did NOT Purchase a Rifle from Kleins
by John Armstrong - allegedly found at the US postal facility in Arlington, VA, and not at the US postal facility in Kansas City where all other unpaid money orders that Oswald purchased from the Dallas post office were stored? ..?
.... FBI records allegedly show that on November 23, at 7:55 pm (CST), Secret Service Agent Grimes was told that a $21.45 money order had been located in Washington, DC by Robert Jackson, an employee of the National Archives. But why would an employee of the National Archives have access to archived U.S. Postal records late on Friday evening? And how is it possible that a never-deposited, never-cashed US postal money order could be deposited at the FNB of Chicago, routed thru the Federal Reserve Bank, and then sent to a postal facility for storage (there are no bank endorsement stamps from either the FNB of Chicago, the Federal Reserve Bank, or the US Postal facility in Kansas City)? And why was that unpaid money order allegedly found at the US postal facility in Arlington, VA, and not at the US postal facility in Kansas City where all other unpaid money orders that Oswald purchased from the Dallas post office were stored? The answer is that this $21.45 money order was never cashed, never deposited, and never routed thru the Federal Reserve banking system. This unpaid money order was most likely taken from a stack of new money orders on 11/23/63 at the Dallas post office by US Postal Inspector Harry Holmes, a long-time FBI informant identified by the bureau as "Dallas, T-2". Holmes was likely the person who date stamped the money order "March 12, 1962" and it was then sent directly to FBI headquarters. The serial numbers on this money order indicate that it was "pulled" from a stack of new money orders at the Dallas post office in late 1963. ....
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Tommy Shanks:

--- Quote from: Walt Cakebread on February 13, 2018, 03:36:51 PM ---This guy ( Lance Payette )is an ignorant nut job.

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Oh boy the never-awaited return of Walt Cakebread.. I guess Royell Storing needed company amongst the most laughable conspiracy theorists on this message board?

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