Crease in SN box

[Walt Cakebread]

Yeah, I kinda realised that. I just like winding ole Walt up a bit. The crease? It could have been caused by anything.

Yes of course, you're right,  the crease could have been caused in any number of ways..... BUT..That's NOT what the cops speculated...They imagined that the crease was created by the recoil of a rifle....  Apparently, you understand the absurdity  of the speculation.

[Bill Chapman]

That's correct.   The police saw the Smoker's Nook and imagined it to be a "Sniper's Nest".   They supported that imaginary idea by imagining that the sniper had sat on a box to the rear of the stack of Rolling Readers and used the stacked Rolling readers as a steady rest for his rifle.  And they imagined that the crease on the top box was created by the recoil of the rifle.

And that's what they told us trusting peasants....( LBJ called us pissants) ....   We had no way of knowing that the tale was physically impossible.

A 5'9" man sitting on a 12 inch box would have his shoulder about 32 inches from the floor ....  The Rolling readers were stacked about level with the shoulder of a 5'9" man.   The angle to the car ( according to page 100 of the WR) was nearly 27 degrees.)  27 degrees from the top of the Rolling Readers is about 52inches up from the floor at a point 3 feet to the rear of the boxes, but a 5'9 inch man's shoulder would be about 32 inches up from the floor.

A 5'9" man holding a rifle resting on the Rolling Readers could not decline the muzzle of the rifle down onto Elm street...   THAT is a fact.

I think your Smoker's Nook solves the problem of people thinking they smelled gunpowder: It was actually pot wafting out that window downrange. That's why people called it the 'grassy' knoll... which in turn suggests a renaming of Dealey Plaza to MaryJane Plaza 

Cite where LBJ called us pissants
He was talking about Vietnam
LBJ called Vietnam a "damn little pissant country"
Look it up

[Denis Pointing]

Yes of course, you're right,  the crease could have been caused in any number of ways..... BUT..That's NOT what the cops speculated...They imagined that the crease was created by the recoil of a rifle....  Apparently, you understand the absurdity  of the speculation.

It's certainly not absurd, the crease could have been made that way...then again, as I said previously it could have been caused by almost anything. To be honest it's not something I'm particularly concerned about. Crease on a box..BFD ~shrug~.

[Walt Cakebread]

It's certainly not absurd, the crease could have been made that way...then again, as I said previously it could have been caused by almost anything. To be honest it's not something I'm particularly concerned about. Crease on a box..BFD ~shrug~.

Yes, I understand that you'd like to shrug it off as unimportant.....  But it certainly is absurd that the carcano could have created the crease on the box as the police speculated. If a sniper had laid the front of the rifle on the boxes while sitting on a box to the rear he could not have declined the muzzle down to shoot at JFK down in front of the TSBD.

[Royell Storing]

Thanks Charles, I gather it is the mark on top of the box at the bottom of the photo. This is consistent with what I think the original thoughts were regarding shooting before the reappearance of Day after 3pm.

I believe that Mooney's testimony was about a "slight crease" and Day's testimony was about something different, a "scar." The cardboard that was used in the boxes is basically constructed in three distinct layers, an outer layer, a middle layer (that is corrugated) and an inner layer. It appears to me that the "scar" was caused by a tearing of the outer layer away from the middle, corrugated layer. And the missing piece of the outer layer exposed the corrugated layer. In my opinion, this was most likely caused in handling the box, perhaps a corner of another box when stacking them, or something similar to that.

It is difficult to tell from the photos, but the elongated darkened area between the arrows that I placed in this photo could be what Mooney was describing as a "slight crease." And it would be in the proper direction for a shot down Elm Street.





I also think that it is most likely that the boxes were full of books and therefore would not crease any more than just slightly when the box was hit with a fist or the rifle. Here is a photo showing the secret service reenactment. You have to use your imagination a little to envision how the rifle was held.



In my opinion, people who thought that he would have shot as the limo approached the TSBD probably had never gone through infantry training with the USMC. A military style ambush takes into account surprise, concealment, and escape afterwards, among other things. Firing upon the approach would have been a big mistake because it would most likely have exposed his position while the secret service agents were looking in that direction. And return fire from the SS would have been the most likely result.

I don't know what you are referring to when you say the window strip. Please explain. Thanks

     If these photos accurately depict the position of the boxes inside the sniper's nest, what was the purpose of the box leaning against the window ledge?

[John Iacoletti]

Yes of course, you're right,  the crease could have been caused in any number of ways..... BUT..That's NOT what the cops speculated...They imagined that the crease was created by the recoil of a rifle....  Apparently, you understand the absurdity  of the speculation.

That’s what cops and LNers do. They take speculation and pretend that it’s evidence.

[John Iacoletti]

I think your Smoker's Nook solves the problem of people thinking they smelled gunpowder: It was actually pot wafting out that window downrange. That's why people called it the 'grassy' knoll... which in turn suggests a renaming of Dealey Plaza to MaryJane Plaza 

 

Don’t give up your day job.