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[Colin Crow]

Immediately after the assassination Brennan identified them as the guys hanging out of the window and they identified Brennan as the guy wearing the hard hat, but I cannot remember what came of that. They were obviously talking with the police at that time. I think the Ball Belin report talked about the identifications of each being made. Must not be much there or I would think I would remember it, but I will look this evening.

Brennan saw two of them on the fifth floor. Likely Jarman and Norman before Williams arrived. From memory Williams and Jarman exited the TSBD and Brennan pointed them out. From memory Norman did not try to exit with them...hence the confusion by Brennan in identifying them. A humorous effort by him in a joint session with them at the WC.

[Jack Nessan]

Brennan saw two of them on the fifth floor. Likely Jarman and Norman before Williams arrived. From memory Williams and Jarman exited the TSBD and Brennan pointed them out. From memory Norman did not try to exit with them...hence the confusion by Brennan in identifying them. A humorous effort by him in a joint session with them at the WC.

Jarman and Norman exited the TSBD and Brennan IDed them and also was able to distinguish between them and BRW. Jarman and Norman were taken back into the building by police officers after IDing Brennan by referencing his hard hat and also stating the shots came from the 6th floor. According to the Ball/Belin report, Norman was interviewed by the FBI twice on 11/22 but apparently no record of it. Later the Ball/Belin report refers to the first FBI interview of Norman as 11/26, so I am not sure. It would be hard to believe the police were well aware of them being below the SN, taking them back into the TSBD, and not talking to them in depth.

[Colin Crow]

Jarman and Norman exited the TSBD and Brennan IDed them and also was able to distinguish between them and BRW. Jarman and Norman were taken back into the building by police officers after IDing Brennan by referencing his hard hat and also stating the shots came from the 6th floor. According to the Ball/Belin report, Norman was interviewed by the FBI twice on 11/22 but apparently no record of it. Later the Ball/Belin report refers to the first FBI interview of Norman as 11/26, so I am not sure. It would be hard to believe the police were well aware of them being below the SN, taking them back into the TSBD, and not talking to them in depth.

We do see Williams on the steps of the TSBD watching a colleague being ushered back inside. Williams does not appear to be under the same instruction. This supports your statement somewhat. I had a memory that one of them did not go outside immediately and for some reason believed that to be Norman. Will look back at his WC testimony as the likely source.

Certainly at the WC Brennan could not identify who was up there when the three were in the same room with him.

Do you have a link to the Ball/Belin report? I may have seen it but would appreciate the opportunity to read.

[Jack Nessan]

We do see Williams on the steps of the TSBD watching a colleague being ushered back inside. Williams does not appear to be under the same instruction. This supports your statement somewhat. I had a memory that one of them did not go outside immediately and for some reason believed that to be Norman. Will look back at his WC testimony as the likely source.

Certainly at the WC Brennan could not identify who was up there when the three were in the same room with him.

Do you have a link to the Ball/Belin report? I may have seen it but would appreciate the opportunity to read.

The WC statements do not necessarily reflect what was stated in the report which was dated 2/25/1964.

I would think with your interest in the 6th floor aspect of the case it would be an interesting read. I am unaware of it being online anywhere. I found it by contacting the Gerald Ford Pres Library in Ann Arbor, Michigan and having them copy it and mail it to me.

David Belin had donated his papers to Ford's Presidential library along with a lot of other papers concerning the assassination.  I think what I had the library copy in total is more than 800 pages with a certain amount of duplication.  I will see if I can have the witness portion copied and placed on a Zip Drive and see if I can then download it to the internet or just send it to you. I have a basic lack of computer skills so bear with me. The initial report dated 2/25/1964  gives an idea of what it was they were interested in investigating and their thoughts on the witnesses. 

This is a link to the files from which I chose the files that I received. I mainly chose files from Boxes 4 and 5 but you can see there is a great deal more to be viewed.
https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/guides/findingaid/belinpapers.asp#warrenftl

[Colin Crow]

The WC statements do not necessarily reflect what was stated in the report which was dated 2/25/1964.

I would think with your interest in the 6th floor aspect of the case it would be an interesting read. I am unaware of it being online anywhere. I found it by contacting the Gerald Ford Pres Library in Ann Arbor, Michigan and having them copy it and mail it to me.

David Belin had donated his papers to Ford's Presidential library along with a lot of other papers concerning the assassination.  I think what I had the library copy in total is more than 800 pages with a certain amount of duplication.  I will see if I can have the witness portion copied and placed on a Zip Drive and see if I can then download it to the internet or just send it to you. I have a basic lack of computer skills so bear with me. The initial report dated 2/25/1964  gives an idea of what it was they were interested in investigating and their thoughts on the witnesses. 

This is a link to the files from which I chose the files that I received. I mainly chose files from Boxes 4 and 5 but you can see there is a great deal more to be viewed.
https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/guides/findingaid/belinpapers.asp#warrenftl

Much appreciated Jack......even large docs can be emailed these days. I certainly would be interested in reading.

PS....just realised they might be in scanned image format and quite large if so.

[Colin Crow]

Jack, I just checked the testimonies. Both Jarman and Norman recall Brennan when they went outside. I found this from Williams...

Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor, what did you see?
Mr. WILLIAMS. When we arrived to the first floor, the first thing I noticed was that the policemen had rushed in. I think some firemen came in with a water hose. And then the next thing that happened, these detectives, or maybe FBI--anyway, they stopped us all and they said, "Do you work here?" And we told them yes. And they took our name, address, and they searched everybody. And then the other fellow--I think one fellow asked whether we had been working upstairs. I think we told him yes. They got out all the fellows I think that was working on the sixth floor at the time, and they took us all down to the courthouse, I think, and we had to fill out some affidavits and things.
Mr. BALL. You made out an affidavit there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you go out of the building shortly after you came downstairs?
Mr. WILLIAMS. They wouldn't let anybody out of the building.

Two points, firstly Williams recollection of Senkel asking for all those who had been on the 6th floor that morning. Recall that both Norman and Frazier fell into that category but somehow avoided going to City Hall.

Secondly Williams claiming they weren’t allowed out but he was filmed on the steps and did make it outside. I believe it was this statement that led me to believe only two went outside, it appears I was mistaken.

[Jack Nessan]

Much appreciated Jack......even large docs can be emailed these days. I certainly would be interested in reading.

PS....just realised they might be in scanned image format and quite large if so.

I have a friend I will see next Tuesday. He will know how to do it. They aren't earth shattering but they give an idea of the their opinion of it all. I also think they were talking with the agents doing the interviews.