How to wipe down your weapon of choice real quick

[John Mytton]

Oh, one more thing:  is this the same J Edgar who said that the thing he was concerned about "is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin"?

Just checking.

What is wrong with that?
ALL the evidence leads to only Lee Harvey Oswald.
After their President was brutally gunned down on a city street in broad daylight, the public deserved to know that the murderer with the overwhelming evidence was captured and that they are all safe, Hoover was just doing his job.

JohnM

[Bill Chapman]

Yawn, not this schtick again. You are not the eyewitness, Brennan who was there said it was the same man as was holding the rifle.

"Mr. BELIN. Was the man that you saw in the window firing the rifle the same man that you had seen earlier in the window, you said at least a couple of times, first stepping up and then going back?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes, sir."

Up until 12:30, the sniper's nest window was just like any other and there would be no reason to pay any attention to this window 6 stories up.

All seven commissioners went to Dallas and while on the 5th floor of the TSBD, all heard a shell fall on the floor above.

"And at one point, all seven commissioners traveled to Dallas and, among other things, stood on the fifth floor of the Book Depository Building where the three young black men were at the time of the assassination, and conducted a test wherein a cartridge shell was dropped to the floor directly above them and “all the commissioners heard a sound which they…concluded…was the sound of a shell which had fallen to the floor."
RHVB

JohnM

Not only that, Norman said that the test day was a lot noisier outside than the day of the actual event.

[Colin Crow]

Quote from: Bill Chapman on Today at 08:42:50 AM
"Not only that, Norman said that the test day was a lot noisier outside than the day of the actual event"

 I assume that excludes the 3 loud noises on the day of the actual event.

[Jack Nessan]

Not only that, Norman said that the test day was a lot noisier outside than the day of the actual event.

Too bad Norman could not tell the same story twice. First statement on 11/26, no mention of the sound of the bolt or shells. The big question is did he stick his head out of the window between the shots or didn't he?  Apparently he even heard the bolt and shells when his head was outside of the window. I bet the WC members did not try that. Did the dust fall into his eyes from the ceiling or when he was looking up outside of the building?

FBI 11/26: "He stated that about the time the car in which the President was riding turned on to Elm Street, he heard a shot. He said he thought the shot had been fired from the floor directly above him. He further stated at that time he stuck his head from the window and looked upward toward the roof but could see nothing because small particles of dirt were falling from above him. He stated two additional shots were fired after he had puled his head back in from the window."

Secret Service 12/4:  Now he adds the bolt and shells but not his head outside of the window. "I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I could also hear the bolt action of the rifle. I also saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me.

[John Mytton]

I assume that excludes the 3 loud noises on the day of the actual event.

The point of the experiment was to determine if Norman could hear the bolt action and the shells hitting the floor above. The only reasons I can think of for doing an actual firing would be to see if Norman thought the sound was the same and if dust actually falls from the ceiling but after the three gunshots on the 22nd was there any dust left to fall?

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Too bad Norman could not tell the same story twice. First statement on 11/26, no mention of the sound of the bolt or shells. The big question is did he stick his head out of the window between the shots or didn't he?  Apparently he even heard the bolt and shells when his head was outside of the window. I bet the WC members did not try that. Did the dust fall into his eyes from the ceiling or when he was looking up outside of the building?

FBI 11/26: "He stated that about the time the car in which the President was riding turned on to Elm Street, he heard a shot. He said he thought the shot had been fired from the floor directly above him. He further stated at that time he stuck his head from the window and looked upward toward the roof but could see nothing because small particles of dirt were falling from above him. He stated two additional shots were fired after he had puled his head back in from the window."

Secret Service 12/4:  Now he adds the bolt and shells but not his head outside of the window. "I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I could also hear the bolt action of the rifle. I also saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me.

Apparently he even heard the bolt and shells when his head was outside of the window.

How do you come to that conclusion? On the 26th when Norman was obviously inside, Norman says he heard a shot, then stuck his head out and then when he was back inside he heard another two shots, 1 +2 = 3!
The time between the first shots is believed to be about 3 seconds so Norman who was right at the window had plenty of time to have a quick look up between shots 1 and 2.

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

The point of the experiment was to determine if Norman could hear the bolt action and the shells hitting the floor above. The only reasons I can think of for doing an actual firing would be to see if Norman thought the sound was the same and if dust actually falls from the ceiling but after the three gunshots on the 22nd was there any dust left to fall?

JohnM

Was not referring to the dust....obviously the noise of the gunfire was not there for the test.....so doubtful validity methinks.