Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?

[John Iacoletti]

Iacoletti,

You just don't get it.

Despite your apparent wishes otherwise, Westbrook was wrong.

Merely calling a witness wrong (particularly about who she herself is) is not a particularly compelling argument that your opinion is correct.

[Thomas Graves]

Iacoletti,

Cute!

Did they teach you how to do that in your software debugging class?


Since you refuse to answer my earlier questions, let me rephrase them into just one for you.

Which of these seven gals, if any, lied (or were mysteriously mistaken) in their FBI statements as to who they watched the motorcade with?

1) Stella Mae Jacob of Texas School Book Company

2) Gloria Holt of Texas School Book Company

3) Sharon Simmons of Texas School Book Company


4) Karen Westbrook of South-Western Publishing Company

5) Carol Reed of South-Western Publishing Company

6) Karan Hicks of South-Western Publishing Company

7) Gloria Calvery of South-Western Publishing Company

 
For Karen Westbrook Scranton's memory to be correct, the answer is "everybody, myself included".
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1381.pdf


--  MWT 

[John Iacoletti]

Here's where Tommy just declares that "with" must mean standing side-by-side for the entire duration of the motorcade and even several minutes afterwards.

Because.....well, because he said so.

[Thomas Graves]

Here's where Tommy just declares that "with" must mean standing side-by-side for the entire duration of the motorcade and even several minutes afterwards.

What you're really saying is that all seven of those gals played fast-and-loose, syntactically speaking, with the FBI in their signed statements.

Your insinuating that only serves to highlight the ludicrousness of your "position" on Calvery.

You must be really desperate to "prevent" Gloria Calvery's getting to the TSBD steps within 25 seconds after the final shot, as depicted in Darnell.

Why is that, John?

Are you afraid that that would somehow implicate Oswald in the assassination of JFK?

--  MWT 

PS  Have you actually read Karen Westbrook's FBI statement?

[Thomas Graves]

Calvery, Hicks, Reed, and Westbrook's statements are almost word for word identical, or hadn't you noticed?.  Do you really think they wrote them independently?

Iacoletti,

What probably happened is that one of those four gals told the FBI guy what she did and who she was with, and the FBI guy or stenographer used that as a template for the other three gals' statements.

Regardless, they all signed off on their own individual statement, suggesting that each and every one of them agreed that the information in it was accurate to the best of their knowledge (I'm thinking about the "about halfway between Houston Street and the Triple-Underpass," here).

It's interesting that you're ascribing to each of those four gals lackadaisical (to the point of careless) useage of the word "with" (and "went", and "when", etc) in their statements in such an ab-normal, counter-intuitive way (given the serious context of having witnessed the assassination of an American president, and now giving a signed statement about same to the freakin' FBI), Iacolletti.

I guess what you're really suggesting is that Karan Hicks, for example, should have said, "Well I went with my three colleagues to a spot on the north side of Elm Street about half-way between Houston Street and the Triple-Underpass, but that's not actually where I was when President Kennedy was shot, because, well ... I kinda wandered off a bit just before that, and I guess I musta wandered so far away from them that I ended up even not being "caught" by anybody's camera, gosh darn it!"

--  MWT   

PS  Now that I've nailed you on this, wanna talk about the FBI statements of Jacob, Holt, and Simmons?

[John Iacoletti]

a) your assumed individuals are not only NOT halfway between Houston and the underpass, but the person Westbrook identified as herself is closer to the halfway point.

b) who are you to decide for other people you've never even met what is "abnormal and counter-intuitive"?

c) you don't actually know which of your backs-of-heads is or is not Karan Hicks either, so stop pretending like you know things you don't actually know.

[Thomas Graves]

a) your assumed individuals are not only NOT halfway between Houston and the underpass, but the person Westbrook identified as herself is closer to the halfway point.

b) who are you to decide for other people you've never even met what is "abnormal and counter-intuitive"?

c) you don't actually know which of your backs-of-heads is or is not Karan Hicks either, so stop pretending like you know things you don't actually know.

All seven of those gals in those two groups are so far off from being halfway between Houston Street and the Triple-Underpass, that your Westbrook's and Calvery's being about twenty feet closer to that mythological halfway point is meaningless in the context of figuring out who-is-who in the photos and films.

"Normal" is a statistical concept, Iacolletti.  Maybe you're at the far left side of the Bell-Shaped Curve in non-nerdish English language comprehension, and you just can't realize that when the vast majority of people say they "went" (on foot) with someone to a presidential parade, and that the were "with" that person when something happened there, that yes, it really does  mean they were standing (or sitting) virtually "shoulder-to-shoulder" with that person, or at least close enough to them as to make it possible to "catch" them "together" there in a photograph or film when that something that happened ... happened.

Where's Karan Hicks, Iacoletti?  Can you find her in any photos or films?

Where's Carol Reed?  Can you find her in any photos or films?

No???

Why do you suppose that is?

Do you really think lily-white Carol Reed's that black-haired, dark-complected gal on the left in your and Westbrook's three-gal group, or hey, maybe it's lily-white Karan Hicks, instead, and it was Carol Reed who went wandering off!!!

If you grudgingly accept that it's self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob (which it is) then you still have to explain how it is that Reed and Hicks were not "caught" in any photos or films, and why they both played so fast-and-loose with "with" in their FBI statements, and willfully misrepresented where they actually were, and whom they were "with," if anybody.


--  MWT