CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?

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Online John Mytton

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2019, 02:49:34 AM »
No, that's not what I mean.

Mr. BELIN. Then what did you observe or hear?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, then something, just right after this explosion, made me think that it was a firecracker being thrown from the Texas Book Store. And I glanced up. And this man that I saw previous was aiming for his last shot.
Mr. BELIN. This man you saw previous? Which man are you talking about now?
Mr. BRENNAN. The man in the sixth story window.
Mr. BELIN. Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him this last time?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to this right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit this mark, and then he disappeared. And, at the same moment, I was diving off of that firewall and to the right for bullet protection of this stone wall that is a little higher on the Houston side. [3H143-144]

Did Brennan ever say he went inside the Depository because if you weren't familiar with the inside of the building then anything could "appear" possible. The photo that Charles posted shows how low the window sill is.



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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #120 on: July 03, 2019, 04:12:28 AM »
Did Brennan ever say he went inside the Depository because if you weren't familiar with the inside of the building then anything could "appear" possible. The photo that Charles posted shows how low the window sill is.



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From Brennan's position would it be possible for Brennan to see a sitting man from his belt up?

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #121 on: July 03, 2019, 04:40:54 AM »
From Brennan's position would it be possible for Brennan to see a sitting man from his belt up?

Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.


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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #122 on: July 03, 2019, 05:02:07 AM »
Brennan is not a witness Belin would want to put on the stand for the simple reason that the more the investigation went on the more Brennan became a hostile witness and totally useless

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #123 on: July 03, 2019, 05:22:03 AM »
Mr. BELIN. At the time you saw this man on the sixth floor, how much of the man could you see?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I could see at one time he came to the window and he sat sideways on the window sill. That was previous to President Kennedy getting there. And I could see practically his whole body, from his hips up. But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up.


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So, sitting on the window sill satisfies this requirement. Seems reasonable. Is there a problem with the window opening far enough? Would the window need to be fully raised to allow this or was it still low when this occurred?

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #124 on: July 03, 2019, 06:59:53 AM »
So, sitting on the window sill satisfies this requirement. Seems reasonable. Is there a problem with the window opening far enough? Would the window need to be fully raised to allow this or was it still low when this occurred?

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So, sitting on the window sill satisfies this requirement. Seems reasonable.

Brennan saw Oswald sitting on the sill and he had the two guys directly below for comparison.

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Is there a problem with the window opening far enough?

Probably.

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Would the window need to be fully raised to allow this or was it still low when this occurred?

Perhaps, but if it was me I'd use the window and slide it up when I wanted to sit on the sill and slide it down as far as possible when I was taking the shots, but that's just me.

I reckon when Oswald was sitting on the sill he was trying to get a look down at who was where, and must have been a little worried when he saw Jarman and Norman walk back towards the building.

Btw I think you were onto something with Bonnie Ray, Bonnie Ray wouldn't have gone to the 6th floor and not go to the window which he later went straight to on the 5th floor that doesn't make sense, Bonnie Ray saw the assassin, no bones about it!

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Re: CT's, in court how would you defend Oswald?
« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2019, 07:05:23 AM »
Brennan is not a witness Belin would want to put on the stand for the simple reason that the more the investigation went on the more Brennan became a hostile witness and totally useless

Brennan's description which closely matched Oswald must have been the one broadcast on the Police radio about 15 minutes later.

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Howard Leslie Brennan, Address 6814 Woodard, Dallas, Texas Age 44 , Phone No. EV 1-2713
Deposes and says:

I am presently employed by the Wallace and Beard Construction Company as a Steam fitter and have been so employed for about the past 7 weeks. I am working on a pipe line in the Katy Railroad yards at the West end of Pacific Street near the railroad tracks. We had knocked off for lunch and I had dinner at the cafeteria at Record and Main Street and had come back to see the President of the United States. I was sitting on a ledge or wall near the intersection of Houston Street and Elm Street near the red light pole. I was facing in a northerly direction looking across the street from where I was sitting. I take this building across the street to be about 7 stories anyway in the east endof [sic] the building and the second row of windows from the top I saw a man in this window. I had seen him before the President's car arrived. He was just sitting up there looking down apparently waiting for the same thing I was to see the President. I did not notice anything unusual about this man. He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definately [sic] not a suit. I proceeded to watch the President's car as it turned left at the corner where I was and about 50 yards from the intersection of Elm and Houston and to a point I would say the President's back was in line with the last windows I have previously described I heard what I thought was a back fire. It run [sic] in my mind that it might be someone throwing firecrackers out the window of the red brick building and I looked up at the building. I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high powered rifle. I could see all of the barrel of the gun. I do not know if it had a scope on it or not. I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion. Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight. He did not seem to be in any hurry. I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again.

/s/ H. L. Brennan

/s/ C. M. Jones
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas


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Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45.

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