How Good Are People at Counting?

[Andrew Mason]

You don't mean midway to the next building along Houston? We'll be getting into the Z250s for the first shot. Gee, you working on another screwball pet theory?

My "pet theory" is that the 22 witnesses who said that JFK acted as if he was hit by the first shot were not all experiencing simultaneous halucinations;  that Hughes and Betzner were not halucinating when they said they exposed their film before the first shot; that 45 witnesses, including Jackson, were not halucinating when they recalled the 1......2...3 shot pattern; that dozens of witnesses in motorcade and along Elm were not having simultaneous halucinations as to where JFK was at the time of the first shot. That's my "pet theory".

Jackson also remarks that the first shot occurred just after he tossed the film. That takes us back to his testimony about laughing at the wind taking the film. Dillard spoke about the reverberation being really bad there because of the tall buildings.

So how does laughing at the corner affect his ability to hear the shots?  He said he was looking forward and just had to look up to the the rifle in the 6th floor window just after the third shot. What is your "pet theory" as to how the incident at the corner prevented him from hearing the shot pattern that he still recalled 36 years later? Does your "pet theory" have any evidence to support it?

On the reverberation point, reverb is not echo. Reverb does not provide two distinct shot sounds. Besides, if people were confused by echos they would have reported MORE than 3 shots.

That's the problem. What makes you think your 20 cherry-picks had clear comprehension of the shot spanning in the midst of major distraction and confusion, and equally clear reconstruction in their memory?

How are you using the term "cherry picking"? If I was selectively choosing the witnesses who observed JFK's reactions to the first shot, please identify the witnesses who said otherwise.  I am citing ALL those witnesses.  If you disagree, then tell me who I am not including in my list of 22 witnesses who observed JFK immediately after the first shot that you think I should be including (besides Mary Woodward). I did not include Mary Woodward for two reasons: 1. she said things were a little hazy after the first shot but she did not think anyone was hit by it and 2. the second shot was followed rapidly by a third.  2 is inconsistent with 1.  Since JFK is reacting to his neck wound 5 seconds before the last shot, if he had been hit on the only on the second shot, the last two shots could not have followed "rapidly".

[Bill Brown]

By the way, it was also mentioned in the Dallas Morning News that earlier as Brewer and Burroughs "passed the back section of the middle aisle downstairs, they heard a seat snap or crack" (November 23, 1963), so according to that, those theater seats did make snapping noises.

Irrelevant, unless you can cite that article stating that Brewer or Burroughs said that the "seat snap or crack" sounded like the hammer or the trigger of a revolver.

[John Iacoletti]

Irrelevant, unless you can cite that article stating that Brewer or Burroughs said that the "seat snap or crack" sounded like the hammer or the trigger of a revolver.

You couldn't possibly get more subjective than that.  Some witnesses heard a click or a snap.  Other things were known to have caused clicks or snaps.  Ergo, some witnesses hearing a a click or a snap (regardless of what they thought it sounded like) actually proves nothing.

[Bill Brown]

You couldn't possibly get more subjective than that.  Some witnesses heard a click or a snap.  Other things were known to have caused clicks or snaps.  Ergo, some witnesses hearing a a click or a snap (regardless of what they thought it sounded like) actually proves nothing.

Riiiiiight.

The click or snap of a revolver sounds the same as a theater seat's "click" or "snap".

LOL

[Bill Chapman]

You couldn't possibly get more subjective than that.  Some witnesses heard a click or a snap.  Other things were known to have caused clicks or snaps.  Ergo, some witnesses hearing a a click or a snap (regardless of what they thought it sounded like) actually proves nothing.

Did anyone report hearing a thump along with a click or snap? You know, the sound that occurs when the seat hits its back.

[John Iacoletti]

Riiiiiight.

The click or snap of a revolver sounds the same as a theater seat's "click" or "snap".

LOL

Cool rebuttal bro.  How do you know what the seats in Texas Theater sounded like when they snapped?  How do you know it wasn't someone in the seats making the noise like Hawkins said?

Are you going with an argument from personal incredulity?

[Bill Brown]

Cool rebuttal bro.  How do you know what the seats in Texas Theater sounded like when they snapped?  How do you know it wasn't someone in the seats making the noise like Hawkins said?

I am not claiming to know any of that.

What I am saying is that you're bat shit crazy if you think a movie theater seat sounds like the clicking of a revolver's hammer and/or trigger.

Anything to get a cop-killer off the hook.  Right?