CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Michael T. Griffith]

No, the Capitol riot is not how Democracy works. A Communist mob or a MAGA mob can't just storm the Capitol, and overturn Democracy, and "That's just how Democracy works". Even if all the members of a Communist mob or a MAGA mob are U. S. citizens. Democracy works by having the votes of all the people counted following the rule of law, with states officials and the courts being the final arbitrayers of what votes are valid or not. Not some mob, even if all the members of the mob are U. S. citizens.

No. Trump did not have control of the US military. Not so far as getting them to overturn Democracy. If General Michael Flynn had been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and if the others in the military went along with him, yes, that would have been an option. And that would have been the option Trump would have chosen. Why use the Proud Boys when the military will do what ever you ask? But fortunately, General Mark Milley was in charge and using the military was never even remotely an option. He simply was not going to order troops to storm the Capitol. General Mark Milley sworn an oath to defend the Constitution, not to obey whatever order the President may give to him. And General Mark Milley did so.

I'm certain that if Trump becomes President again, he will do whatever it takes to get someone like General Michael Flynn as the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Maybe his brother. It will be a priority.

By the way, my question to Griffith is now being directed to you.

What do you intend to do if Trump is elected, establishes a permanent regime with himself or his chosen successor and charge of elections. And then you decide to change your mind. You want someone else in charge.

What do you think you and the current MAGA crowd would be able to do about it?

Joe, this is just crazy talk. Sheesh. You must be kidding. If you seriously, genuinely fear that Trump has any desire to "establish a permanent regime with himself or his chosen successor," I feel sorry for you. That's just paranoia.

As I've said, I hope Trump does not run again, and if he does, I hope he fails to get the GOP nomination.

Anyway, why don't we get back to the backyard rifle photos and the fact that the ring in 133-C is nowhere to seen in 133-A and that it's the same size as the ring in 133-B but is on a different hand.

There's also the fact that when Oswald was booked, he was not wearing a ring on either hand. His wedding ring was handed over the Secret Service weeks after the assassination; supposedly, he had left it with Marina before going to work on 11/22. Go read the detailed DPD property memo for Oswald's belongings. Standard police procedure when booking a suspect is to have them remove all watches and jewelry, which they did to Oswald.

[Richard Smith]

By the way, my question to Griffith is now being directed to you.

What do you intend to do if Trump is elected, establishes a permanent regime with himself or his chosen successor and charge of elections. And then you decide to change your mind. You want someone else in charge.

What do you think you and the current MAGA crowd would be able to do about it?

That is tin foil hat nonsense.  Trump left office after the last election.  He is almost as old as Joe Biden at this point but he is going to establish "a permanent regime."  Wow.  Not even sure what that means.  That Trump is immortal?   Maybe take a break from MSNBC and watch something more factual like "Ancient Aliens." 

[John Iacoletti]

You really think the sitting president and commander-in-chief would stage an "insurrection" by sending a random group of hillbillies to the Capitol?

Absolutely.

[Martin Weidmann]

That is tin foil hat nonsense.  Trump left office after the last election.  He is almost as old as Joe Biden at this point but he is going to establish "a permanent regime."  Wow.  Not even sure what that means.  That Trump is immortal?   Maybe take a break from MSNBC and watch something more factual like "Ancient Aliens."

That is tin foil hat nonsense.  Trump left office after the last election.

What a pathetic comment. What else was Trump going to do? Stay there, after all his efforts to overthrow the election had failed? If he had not left the White House he would have been thrown out.

[Jonathan Nolan]

Interesting that the original thread about evidence and explaining the presence of the mannlicher carcano descended into off topic twaddle about the current deep state civil war. Hopefully this is not typical. If it is, it is highly suspicious given that many of the same families who participated in the JFK murder plot still hold power today.

To answer the original question, the rifle was brought to the building by the same team who included the shooter on the roof of the TSBD.

It isn't enough to simply scoff at alternate suggestions by the way. And in terms of the "mountains of evidence" all of it was tainted beyond usability in court when it was taken away by the FBI, breaking the chain of custody established in Dallas. Given the notoriety of FBI evidence falsification that has come to light in the decades since, it is easily understood as to why the break in the chain of evidence would make it unusable.

[Martin Weidmann]

Interesting that the original thread about evidence and explaining the presence of the mannlicher carcano descended into off topic twaddle about the current deep state civil war. Hopefully this is not typical. If it is, it is highly suspicious given that many of the same families who participated in the JFK murder plot still hold power today.

To answer the original question, the rifle was brought to the building by the same team who included the shooter on the roof of the TSBD.

It isn't enough to simply scoff at alternate suggestions by the way. And in terms of the "mountains of evidence" all of it was tainted beyond usability in court when it was taken away by the FBI, breaking the chain of custody established in Dallas. Given the notoriety of FBI evidence falsification that has come to light in the decades since, it is easily understood as to why the break in the chain of evidence would make it unusable.

To answer the original question, the rifle was brought to the building by the same team who included the shooter on the roof of the TSBD.

Now that you have answered the original question, what kind of evidence do you have to back it up?

[Jonathan Nolan]

"Oswald Never Purchased a Mail Order Rifle
The Postal Money Order allegedly used to purchase the rifle that supposedly killed JFK is perhaps the most unexplainable document published by the Warren Commission. A quick look at this money order (see DOCUMENT link below) shows that it was never deposited nor cashed at a bank. It does not have a single bank stamp on the front or reverse side. Yet the WC wants us to believe that this uncashed, never-deposited money order was used to purchase the rifle that supposedly killed President Kennedy. All monetary instruments deposited to banks or financial institutions (1962-63) were stamped by the bank into which the item was deposited, stamped by a correspondent bank, and stamped by the originating bank or institution when the item was returned. A US Postal Money Order (PMO) purchased in Dallas, TX, and sent to Kleins Sporting Goods in Chicago, would have been date-stamped when deposited to their bank (First National Bank of Chicago). The PMO would have been stamped a second time after passing through a correspondent bank and/or the Federal Reserve System. Finally the PMO would have been stamped a third time when returned to Federal Postal Money Order Center (FPMOC) in Kansas City. But the money order given to the Warren Commission did not have a single bank endorsement stamp and was not found at the FPMOC in Kansas City. The absence of date-stamped bank endorsements means this PMO was never deposited to a bank nor cashed by Kleins Sporting Goods. Yet we are supposed to believe that Klein's Sporting Goods shipped a rifle to Oswald in Dallas, TX and that he used this rifle to kill JFK.

This never deposited money order first appeared in the hands of Robert Jackson, an employee of the Federal Records Center, who lived in Alexandria, VA. Neither Mr. Jackson nor any employee of the Federal Records Center was questioned about the money order by the FBI or Warren Commission or HSCA or the Secret Service. At 9:35 PM (11/23/63) Jackson hand delivered this money order to J. Harold Marks, a Finance Officer for the US Postal Service, at his home in Arlington, VA. The initials that appear on the back of this money order were made by Jackson, Marks, and other Federal officials who took possession of the money order. The Secret Service made 5 photostats of this money order and sent the photostats to Dallas. The following day (11/24/63), at 10:00 AM, Secret Service Agent Grimes gave the original PMO to the FBI, and the money order soon vanished. The Warren Commission accepted photostats of this money order as "proof" that Oswald purchased this mail-order rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago. Apparently, not a single member of the WC nor its attorneys nor staff questioned the authenticity of this money order nor questioned the absence of a single bank stamp/endorsement.  To verify the authenticity and bank routing of this PMO, the Warren Commission only needed to ask the US Postal Department to conduct "payment research" on the money order. There is no cost for this service, but the results may have been a bit difficult for the WC to explain.

The Postal Money Order allegedly was purchased at the Dallas Post Office on March 12, 1963 at 10:30 A.M. According to Warren Commission documents, this money order was deposited into Klein's bank account in Chicago on February 15, 1963.  The Warren  Commission expected us to believe that the money order was deposited in the  First National  Bank of Chicago on  February 15,  1963--a month BEFORE the money order was purchased in Dallas! The money order and bank deposit printed in the Warren volumes in 1964 are both good examples of how the WC manipulated "evidence" in an attempt to frame Oswald as the Lone Assassin.  Oswald never purchased this money order nor was this money order ever deposited in Klein's bank account.  If Oswald never purchased nor received a rifle from Klein's, then he could not have posed for the Life magazine photo and he could not have carried the rifle to the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository."

https://harveyandlee.net/

https://harveyandlee.net/MoneyOrder.html

Good enough for me.