CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #350 on: June 30, 2019, 04:55:59 PM »
There is no way to know when he made the switch from the rope to the shoulder holster sling. I am sure they tried, but If they could have figured out where he bought the Air Force Shoulder Holster maybe they could have figured out where he bought the ammo. Definitely unique to use the shoulder holster as a sling.

Not only was the sling "unique" it was pretty near useless, it was far too short to use as an aid in steadying the rifle by looping it around the arm. About the only thing it was good for was holding the rifle akimbo to the body, under a long trench coat whilst walking around the streets at night...which is exactly what Marina claims he did. Very spooky guy.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #351 on: June 30, 2019, 08:18:26 PM »




The Carcano shown in the Klein's Feb. 1963 advertisement is an illustration of a Carcano M91 (the original 50" Long Rifle) whose barrel was cut down to better appeal to the recreation market. The illustration was made for Klein's ads for ""Custom Sporterized Model" that ran from about 1960-62. About early 1962, I believe, they began selling unaltered Carcano M91/38 TS rifles (this particular model was introduced 1938 and was about 36.5") in ads with the description "6.5 Italian Carbine". They simply continued to use the same illustration as they always used, the cut-down M91 Long Rifle which has the bottom sling swivels.



If that's a bottom swivel mount in the backyard photo, then it's broken with the loop open. My belief if that was is seen are loose strands from a rope sling that was attached to the rifle's side sling mount on the fore-stock.

"If that's a bottom swivel mount in the backyard photo, then it's broken with the loop open."

There is a bottom mounted sling loop in the photo ( CE 133A) ......  Just like the Klein's illustration....   And that means the Carcano that Lee is holding is NOT the rifle that was found where it had been carefully hidden beneath heavy boxes of books on the sixth floor.   ( And in a spot that could NOT have been reached by a normal man who was allegedly fleeing, in the aisle at the top of the stairs.....)

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #352 on: July 02, 2019, 07:48:25 PM »
Yeah I was wrong, your posts don't imply Oswald was innocent they scream from the top of their lungs that Oswald was innocent.

Nice photo.  But where does it claim anything about Oswald's innoncence?

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Of course, when you go to the lengths of separating evidence into two parts just so you can present what you perceive to be  less incriminating evidence to the court is a stunt only a naive Defence Attorney would try and pull off.

And when you heap on "53 pieces of evidence" most of which aren't actually evidence of anything, then you wind up with a desperate prosecutor with a lousy case.

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Both the Warren Commission and a decade and a half later the HSCA studied the evidence and concluded that Oswald was guilty, whereas you and the rest of the CT's haven't concluded squat.

"studied the evidence".  LOL.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #353 on: July 03, 2019, 01:27:55 AM »
Not only was the sling "unique" it was pretty near useless, it was far too short to use as an aid in steadying the rifle by looping it around the arm. About the only thing it was good for was holding the rifle akimbo to the body, under a long trench coat whilst walking around the streets at night...which is exactly what Marina claims he did. Very spooky guy.

"Not only was the sling "unique" it was pretty near useless,"

Actually the sling on the TSBD Carcano is similar to a "cuff sling". Cuff slings are used by expert riflemen in competitive shooting.

If it was used as a cuff sling it was set up for a left handed shooter, which makes sense if firing from the 6th floor SE corner TSBD

with the Carcano.


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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #354 on: July 03, 2019, 11:12:52 AM »
"Not only was the sling "unique" it was pretty near useless,"

Actually the sling on the TSBD Carcano is similar to a "cuff sling". Cuff slings are used by expert riflemen in competitive shooting.

If it was used as a cuff sling it was set up for a left handed shooter, which makes sense if firing from the 6th floor SE corner TSBD

with the Carcano.



It may be 'similar' but it's still not long enough. When adapting a rifle sling into a cuff sling, the sling doesn't just loop around the cuff as you seem to believe. Before it loops around the wrist (cuff) it needs to first loop around the upper arm. Oswald's shoulder holster sling was far too short for that.

"How To Use The Sling
Begin by moving the sling high on your arm. The triceps will support the sling and keep it in place. The sling should run from the centre of the arm and then around the back of the wrist and hand—without cutting into the wrist—picking up a pulse and becoming too tight. A half-inch clockwise twist in the sling end before attachment of the swivel will allow it to pass around the side of the wrist and back."


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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #355 on: July 03, 2019, 05:05:59 PM »
It may be 'similar' but it's still not long enough. When adapting a rifle sling into a cuff sling, the sling doesn't just loop around the cuff as you seem to believe. Before it loops around the wrist (cuff) it needs to first loop around the upper arm. Oswald's shoulder holster sling was far too short for that.

"How To Use The Sling
Begin by moving the sling high on your arm. The triceps will support the sling and keep it in place. The sling should run from the centre of the arm and then around the back of the wrist and hand—without cutting into the wrist—picking up a pulse and becoming too tight. A half-inch clockwise twist in the sling end before attachment of the swivel will allow it to pass around the side of the wrist and back."


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"It may be 'similar' but it's still not long enough."

Looks adjustable and long enough to me.






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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #356 on: July 03, 2019, 08:40:13 PM »
"It may be 'similar' but it's still not long enough."

Looks adjustable and long enough to me.





Then I would suggest a good optician ASAP. What's the second photo about? Are you suggesting it shows a shoulder holster strap? If so, forget the optician...it's too late!   :D
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