Buell's "off" day (aka: oh yeah)

[Charles Collins]

You haven't explained why it's "crystal clear" to you that Frazier is "blatantly and intentionally lying".

No, the WC is doing what you are doing:  assuming that CE 142 must be the bag that Frazier saw because a couple of Oswald's prints were (allegedly) found on it.

Yes, I've come to a different conclusion.  Namely that there is no evidence that CE 142 is the bag that Frazier saw, and that there is no evidence that CE 142 or the bag that Frazier saw ever contained the CE 139 rifle or any other rifle.

Furthermore, the claims in your "list" aren't even accurate.

A look at all of the circumstances shows that 1) it was not the first time that Oswald came to Irving on a different day of the week, 2) he wasn't able to come the previous weekend because of a birthday party, 3) he tried to make up with Marina and convince her to move to Dallas with him

There is no evidence of this being any rifle's "normal place of storage".

....which according to the only people who saw it was NOT CE 142.

...which appears in no crime scene photographs, and was not seen "near the point from which the shots were fired" (as if that has even been demonstrated) by the first 5 or 6 law enforcement officers on the scene.

There is no fiber or paper analysis "linking Oswald and 'the assassination weapon' (as if that has even been demonstrated) to this bag".  At best, all you can say (if the print analysis was accurate -- and it's completely impossible for anyone else to verify) is that Oswald touched the paper that CE142 was made out of at some unspecified time.  How that makes it the same bag Frazier saw is anybody's guess.

If you can convince yourself that Buell Frazier isn’t a liar after seeing the evidence that I pointed out, then it isn’t surprising that you could convince yourself that there isn’t any evidence concerning the bag. But your weak excuses for denying the obvious are not convincing to me.

[John Mytton]

This isn't difficult.

Fritz and Holmes testified that Oswald told them that he never had curtain rods.
Frazier testified that Oswald said he was carrying curtain rods.

Fritz and Holmes testified that Oswald said he carried his lunch on his lap.
Frazier testified that Oswald's package was on the back seat of his car.

Who had an incentive to lie, the guy with an alibi verified by photographic evidence or the guy with no alibi who owned the rifle on the 6th floor? Hmmmm?

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

This isn't difficult.

Fritz and Holmes testified that Oswald told them that he never had curtain rods.
Frazier testified that Oswald said he was carrying curtain rods.

Fritz and Holmes testified that Oswald said he carried his lunch on his lap.
Frazier testified that Oswald's package was on the back seat of his car.

Who had an incentive to lie, the guy with an alibi verified by photographic evidence or the guy with no alibi who owned the rifle on the 6th floor? Hmmmm?

JohnM

This isn't so easy. Are you repeating the same stuff and expecting a different outcome?

Frazier shown CE142 on the night of the 22nd, undertook polygraph and apparently passed......go figure. Wonder if he said not paying attention then.

[John Mytton]

This isn't so easy. Are you repeating the same stuff and expecting a different outcome?

Frazier shown CE142 on the night of the 22nd, undertook polygraph and apparently passed......go figure. Wonder if he said not paying attention then.

This isn't so easy.

Wrong!

Are you repeating the same stuff and expecting a different outcome?

Sorry if the actual evidence is so inconvenient but it is what it is.

Frazier shown CE142 on the night of the 22nd, undertook polygraph and apparently passed......go figure. Wonder if he said not paying attention then.

Huh? Frazier had no choice but to admit that Oswald carried CE142 and Frazier being the simpleton who no doubt believed that "lie detector" tests were faultless told the truth.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Wrong!

Sorry if the actual evidence is so inconvenient but it is what it is.

Huh? Frazier had no choice but to admit that Oswald carried CE142 and Frazier being the simpleton who no doubt believed that "lie detector" tests were faultless told the truth.

JohnM

Frazier had no choice but to admit that Oswald carried CE142

except for the fact that Frazier never ever admitted any such thing, you are absolutely right 


and Frazier being the simpleton who no doubt believed that "lie detector" tests were faultless told the truth.

Indeed! Which was that the bag shown to him (CE142) was in fact not the bag he had seen Oswald carry. He also added that Oswald's bag was a flimsy sack which CE142, made of shipping paper, cleary isn't. So, yes, Frazier did tell the truth!

[Colin Crow]

Wrong!

Sorry if the actual evidence is so inconvenient but it is what it is.

Huh? Frazier had no choice but to admit that Oswald carried CE142 and Frazier being the simpleton who no doubt believed that "lie detector" tests were faultless told the truth.

JohnM

I read somewhere that lie detectors only work if you believe they do.....QED.

[John Mytton]

I read somewhere that lie detectors only work if you believe they do.....QED.

Much like nitrate tests and the threat of violence, lie detectors were used as a bluff to extract information. And don't forget that Oswald who like Frazier wasn't exactly bright, also refused a Polygraph.

JohnM