The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio

[Thomas Graves]

At the end of the day it comes down to making logical assumptions based on the evidence and within the context of this environment what I believe would be court accepted "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

1. Both videos show 3 people walking side by side, with virtually no one else close by.
2. Both videos show 3 people walking away from the Elm street monument.
3. Both videos show same 3 people heading the same direction.
4. Both videos show a lady on our far right wearing a light headscarf.
5. Both videos show the person in the center to have a light coloured head.
6. Both videos show the person on our far left has a dark head.
7. Both videos show that all three are wearing clothing which appears dark in shadow.





Now sure there is a possibility that after these 3 people in the far off gif left the frame they were replaced by another three people that just happened to fill in all the above criteria but we all know from our personal lives that this possibility is extremely remote, so while it may never be proven to the illusive 100% Iacoletti standard, the reality is that these three people would have to be the same three.

JohnM

John,

Your analysis is spot on.

The three women are, from left-to-right, self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob and her two Texas School Book Company colleagues, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons -- the same three gals who were "caught" in the Zapruder film standing near the Stemmons sign.

Not Westbrook's "Uhh, probably (lilly-white) Carol Reed, Gloria Calvery, and me, Karen Westbrook," as guessed-at by Westbrook ... from behind and 54 years after-the-fact.

-- MWT 

[Barry Pollard]

    SA Lem Johns filed his "Original Report" on 11/29/63. I'm paraphrasing, but in John's "Original Report" he flat-out Details getting Out of the car and Running toward the Vice President's car and then hearing the 3rd shot fired. The SA Lem Johns "Original Report" would be the Evidence of what He/Lem Johns allegedly did physically upon hearing shots being fired. SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men". Johns goes on to add that he arrived at Parkland Hospital at "approx 12:45 - 12:50 pm". So per SA Johns he got completely out of the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car & then ran up the middle of Elm St. Yet, there is Not a single assassination image of Johns doing Any of this, or Any Dealey Plaza Eyewitness that Ever reported seeing it.   

DP-TM= 5mins
@TM for 5mins
TM-PH= 5mins
NP.

Also, "SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men"...
Grabbing a police car and inviting Wiegman and Atkins to join him actually fits the bill if you allow yourself to read it that way and Wiegman footage on the way to Parkland shows he was in a covered vehicle, not a convertible.

Circumstantial evidence, that's all recollections are.
There is no doubt that Johns was technically in a good position to hear something coming from the building, near it, or even the GK, like the occupants of the FUC were seconds before but just like Hill, his vehicle was travelling too fast for him to jump out and run forward, he would have had to have waited for it to slow like Hill did and since he was further back in the chain(reaction) I highly doubt he reacted before the "third shot".  Then we have Wiegman's limo frame @8secs post Z313, that tells me Johns is inside his car, so whatever he did doesn't strike me as important.  Besides, what else is he gonna say, that he didn't recognise the sounds as significant and just sat there wondering what was going on, like 99% of the people present that day seem to be doing?
These same 99% it turns out, all circumstantiously(!) tell us they heard shots but how many are seen reacting to them in the hard evidence? 
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[Thomas Graves]

DP-TM= 5mins
@TM for 5mins
TM-PH= 5mins
NP.

Also, "SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men"...
Grabbing a police car and inviting Wiegman and Atkins to join him actually fits the bill if you allow yourself to read it that way and Wiegman footage on the way to Parkland shows he was in a covered vehicle, not a convertible.

Circumstantial evidence, that's all recollections are.
There is no doubt that Johns was technically in a good position to hear something coming from the building, near it, or even the GK, like the occupants of the FUC were seconds before but just like Hill, his vehicle was travelling too fast for him to jump out and run forward, he would have had to have waited for it to slow like Hill did and since he was further back in the chain(reaction) I highly doubt he reacted before the "third shot".  Then we have Wiegman's limo frame @8secs post Z313, that tells me Johns is inside his car, so whatever he did doesn't strike me as important.  Besides, what else is he gonna say, that he didn't recognise the sounds as significant and just sat there wondering what was going on, like 99% of the people present that day seem to be doing?
These same 99% it turns out, all circumstantiously(!) tell us they heard shots but how many are seen reacting to them in the hard evidence? 
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What does any of this Lem Johns stuff have to do with whether or not Darnell filmed, in two separate clips, Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt and Sharon Simmons 1) stepping down from the Pergola Patio, and 2) walking either across the Grassy Knoll's grass, or up the Elm Street sidewalk, a few minutes after the assassination?

Did I miss something?

-- MWT 

[Royell Storing]

DP-TM= 5mins
@TM for 5mins
TM-PH= 5mins
NP.

Also, "SA Johns also goes on within that report to say that he got a ride to Parkland Hospital with, "White House movie men"...
Grabbing a police car and inviting Wiegman and Atkins to join him actually fits the bill if you allow yourself to read it that way and Wiegman footage on the way to Parkland shows he was in a covered vehicle, not a convertible.

Circumstantial evidence, that's all recollections are.
There is no doubt that Johns was technically in a good position to hear something coming from the building, near it, or even the GK, like the occupants of the FUC were seconds before but just like Hill, his vehicle was travelling too fast for him to jump out and run forward, he would have had to have waited for it to slow like Hill did and since he was further back in the chain(reaction) I highly doubt he reacted before the "third shot".  Then we have Wiegman's limo frame @8secs post Z313, that tells me Johns is inside his car, so whatever he did doesn't strike me as important.  Besides, what else is he gonna say, that he didn't recognise the sounds as significant and just sat there wondering what was going on, like 99% of the people present that day seem to be doing?
These same 99% it turns out, all circumstantiously(!) tell us they heard shots but how many are seen reacting to them in the hard evidence? 
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    Just so we are clear, are you Claiming the film footage that shows Wiegman running from the Knoll North Curb and into the middle of Elm St as he Races after his original camera car/camera car #1 is Bogus? I am Not aware of Any images showing Wiegman walking down Elm St or climbing into a Cop Car. There is no visual or verbal verification to support any of that having happened. 

[Thomas Graves]

    Just so we are clear, are you Claiming the film footage that shows Wiegman running from the Knoll North Curb and into the middle of Elm St as he Races after his original camera car/camera car #1 is Bogus? I am Not aware of Any images showing Wiegman walking down Elm St or climbing into a Cop Car. There is no visual or verbal verification to support any of that having happened.

Storing,

What does this have to do with the subject of this thread?

-- MWT 

[Barry Pollard]

You already know the answer, stop diverting the thread.

[Barry Pollard]

    Just so we are clear, are you Claiming the film footage that shows Wiegman running from the Knoll North Curb and into the middle of Elm St as he Races after his original camera car/camera car #1 is Bogus? I am Not aware of Any images showing Wiegman walking down Elm St or climbing into a Cop Car. There is no visual or verbal verification to support any of that having happened.

The TRADE MART, that's what TM means and that's what Wiegman claims happened there, he says Atkins and himself were invited to join Lem Johns on a trip to Parkland after Johns found out that the President was hit.  Johns grabbed a cop car at the TM because that's where his driver went first, same thing happened to Wiegman and Atkins, their driver too went straight to the next designated stop.  It's all in POTP(which was written by Trask, the man who claims Darnell took the Sitzman footage, there's the link, like we need one), the CC1 chapter.
B/W footage taken from inside a closed vehicle shows that very car just at the approach to PH, you may have seen it but not recognised it for what it is, it's from Wiegman, he claims he switched cars at the TM and I believe that footage is his and so confirms it.  If I find it again I'll let you know but would you know Wiegman footage from any other?  Might be yet another sidebar, which unless I've missed something are not against the rules here...