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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2019, 11:41:04 AM »
Yes, thanks. That testimony is long but enlightening.

You are aware that curtain rods were delivered by SS Agent Howlett to Carl Day of the DPD crime lab for fingerprint processing a week or so before Jenner "discovered" curtain rods in the Paine garage?

Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2019, 12:07:33 PM »
You are aware that curtain rods were delivered by SS Agent Howlett to Carl Day of the DPD crime lab for fingerprint processing a week or so before Jenner "discovered" curtain rods in the Paine garage?

No, that is news to me. If it was a week earlier than Jenner?s visit, that is a long time after the assassination. Where did they come from? And why would the secret service employ Dallas PD instead of the FBI?

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« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2019, 12:37:58 PM »
No, that is news to me. If it was a week earlier than Jenner?s visit, that is a long time after the assassination. Where did they come from? And why would the secret service employ Dallas PD instead of the FBI?

All good questions Charles, those and many more can be found over a discussion that lasted 70odd pages and started around here....

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1753.200.html

Have the LN team decided whether the rifle could fit in the bag without dissembling yet?

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« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2019, 01:51:55 PM »
All good questions Charles, those and many more can be found over a discussion that lasted 70odd pages and started around here....

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1753.200.html

Have the LN team decided whether the rifle could fit in the bag without dissembling yet?

I read enough that I understand what the argument is about. I am not inclined to read the entire thread though. It appears to me that those curtain rods could not have been in the Paine garage on 3/23/64 if they were in the custody of the DPD as the document would indicate they were. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that the date of 3/15/64 is in error.


Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2019, 01:56:01 PM »
Was the rifle dissembled or not? Could it have been transported intact in that bag or not. You LN guys get back to us when you have worked that out.

LOL.  I asked a straightforward question.  You apparently don't know the answer.  So we get the usual CT commentary instead of answers.  It seems pretty obvious that if Oswald carried the rifle in that bag (and he did) that it was dissembled if the assembled rifle is longer than the bag.  I'm not sure why think that has to be "worked out."  The question that I posed to you is what is meant by "dissembled" in this context.  What is the fewest possible pieces that his rifle would be in to make it fit the bag?  For example, could the barrel be removed from the stock and fit it in the bag?  Only two large pieces rather than breaking the rifle completely down into multiple pieces.  Far easier to carry the rifle in two large pieces than with multiple smaller pieces.  And why folding it on one end constitutes some type of "security" issue for the contents is a mystifying concern.  Anyone who carries a lunch bag just folds the top end and gravity does the rest.  The contents don't fly out of the top to the moon.  Same with Oswald's bag.  He carries the folded end up and there is no problem. 

Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2019, 06:43:29 PM »
LOL.  I asked a straightforward question.  You apparently don't know the answer.  So we get the usual CT commentary instead of answers.  It seems pretty obvious that if Oswald carried the rifle in that bag (and he did) that it was dissembled if the assembled rifle is longer than the bag.  I'm not sure why think that has to be "worked out."  The question that I posed to you is what is meant by "dissembled" in this context.  What is the fewest possible pieces that his rifle would be in to make it fit the bag?  For example, could the barrel be removed from the stock and fit it in the bag?  Only two large pieces rather than breaking the rifle completely down into multiple pieces.  Far easier to carry the rifle in two large pieces than with multiple smaller pieces.  And why folding it on one end constitutes some type of "security" issue for the contents is a mystifying concern.  Anyone who carries a lunch bag just folds the top end and gravity does the rest.  The contents don't fly out of the top to the moon.  Same with Oswald's bag.  He carries the folded end up and there is no problem.

Part of removal up to where the Barrel can be realeased from the stock.

Remove bolt.
Remove bayonet lug screw.
Remove bayonet lug.
Unscrew the sling (Front barrel band) bracket.
Remove wooden barrel cover.
Remove the 2 action screws for trigger guard.(This releases the barrel from the stock.)

And the opposite to re assemble. Hardly a simple operation especially without a screwdriver.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2019, 10:41:51 PM »
Part of removal up to where the Barrel can be realeased from the stock.

Remove bolt.
Remove bayonet lug screw.
Remove bayonet lug.
Unscrew the sling (Front barrel band) bracket.
Remove wooden barrel cover.
Remove the 2 action screws for trigger guard.(This releases the barrel from the stock.)

And the opposite to re assemble. Hardly a simple operation especially without a screwdriver.

Pretty sure no screws are needed for the bolt or wooden barrel cover. And how does a screwdriver continue to be a factor in removing the bayonet lug after the bayonet lug has already been loosened by said screwdriver? You wouldn't be padding your list here, now would you?